French orthodoxy

[germanus]

Does anyone know of the western rite practised in france? I have heard the St. Germanus liturgy in English. Is there still Orthodoxy in France that is not under the ROCOR church?

[Jean-Serge]

Hello Germanus, I will answer you maybe in various posts to describe you the situation or the Orthodox communities in France.

First, you are speaking about the Saint Germanus rite... Indeed in the 1950s an idea was to do missionary work in France usin the liturgy od the land. Some people claimed to have restored this liturgy thanks to old manuscripts. However, this was not very true since this manuscripts were incomplete and were completed with items coming from Russian tradition... So it is not really Saint Germanus liturgy but a new thing.

However, this liturgy was accepted by different churches but exclusively practiced in the ECOF (Eglise catholique orthodoxe de France). This went through many jurisdiction, MP, ROCOR, indpendant, Patriarchate of Romania etc... But it had a very strange reputation. His foundator, Evgraph Kovalevsky was said to have links with esoteric groups and his successor, Bishop Germain (Herman) too. Moreover, Bishop Germanus was secretely married... This was unveiled but he maintained his office because he was the legal owner of the buildings... He was also deposed ny the Romanian synod before his marriage

Due to this scandals, there was a split within ECOF, end the UACORO was created (after I think the marriage scandal). Now the UACORO has just joined the Serbian church but the Saint Germanus liturgy has been entirely banned. The priests had signed an contract in which they rejetc free masonry... Consequently, the Saint Germanus liturgy is only practised by ECOF under Defrocked Bishop Germanus, and by some parishes 4 times a year only in the Romanian diocese. Indeed, the Romanians some years ago accepted parishes from the ECOF.

The ECOF is said to be dying : people leaving due to the scandals... Recently, the priest from Nantes left for the EP with some parishioners... But the ECOF is said to be negociating with a world prthodox church a sort of incorporation... However, the big problem is the status of the bishop who has been deposed, who was secretly married, the esoterical teaching, the presence of priests who are also free masons and recognises this...

[Jean-Serge]

Is there still Orthodoxy in France that is not under the ROCOR church?

Ugh... Well ROCOR is a minority in French orthodoxy... France was bever a ROCOR bastion. Indeed, when the Metropolitan Euloge schismted from ROCOR, he brought with him most French parishes because he was the bishop for France. These parishes followed him and his succesors in their unresting juriidictionnal moves : ROCOR, MP, EP, ROCOR again, then EP after that at the same time EP and MP, then indpenant church and now EP...

So ROCOR does not have strog implantation in France... There used to be French speaking parishes that came from the ECOF and decide to stay in ROCOR when the ECOF was expelled... However, they left after Saint Philaret's death judging the new line was too ecumenist... I think they are now with the lamians and they are called le Boulevard Sepastopol since their church in Paris is in such street.

The majority of orthodoxy in France is world orthodoxy

Ecumenical Patriarchate

1° The Russian exarchate also called la Rue Daru because thier cathedral is in such street. It is the Eulogian group

They present themselves as a church of Russian tradition but now with a vocation to gather evryone whichever ethnic origin he or she is... They are highly ecumenist and modernist (at least, the ruling persons).

Their bishop is Gabriel de Comane a Flemish Belgian converted from catholicism ( www.exarchat.org)

46 parishes and 1 female monastery.

2° The Greek exarchate

Under Bishop Emmanuel, a highly (and quite meiocre according to what I was taught) ecumenist bishop. I do not know them very well, but they seem to be a little phyletist... A sort a museum of Greek traditions.

5 monasteries and maybe some 10 parishes.

Moscow Patriarchate

Under Bishop Innocent de Chersonese (Korsun)

I do not know them very well excepted one parish where ecumenism reigns...

17 parishes and 5 monasteries

Romanian metropolia in Western Europe

Under Metropolitan Iosif : it is a fast growing community due to Romanain immigration. There are also many French people from the ECOF... Their metropolitan is said to be a very spiritual man... I think he may be the best world orthodox bishop in France. But they participate in many ecumenist gatherings...

Near 30 parishes and 4 monasteries

The Serbian diocese

Under Bishop Luka... My former jurisdiction... No commentary. 15 parishes and 2 monasteries

Antiochian dean?

Yes there are parishes in the Antiochian patriarchate.

Others

You can find a Bulgarian parish in Paris...

Traditionalist orthodox

ROCOR-V

We are under Bishop Anthony of Beltsk and Moldova : 6 churches but also communities without local due to the Lavrist schism.

ROCOR-L

Under Bishop Ambrose of Geneva : 5 parishes and a female monastery (Lesna).

Boulevard Sebastopol

It is this old calendar juridsiction with about 7 parishes in France[/b]

[ultra_sinful]

germanus,

Is there still Orthodoxy in France that is not under the ROCOR church?

Yes but not much as it is the case in every country nowadays.

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Parishes in Western European Diocese
(temporary ruled by Mitropolitan Vitaly)

FRANCE

1. Cannes: Church of Archangel Michael,
   36-40 Blvd. Alexander III, Cannes 06400 France
   tel/fax: 33.4.93.43.00.28

2. Rector - vacancy

3. Protodeacon Sergei Wsevolojsky

4. Marseille: Church of the Great Martyr George,
   16 Rue Clapier, 13001 Marseille, France

5. Paris: All Saints of Russia Church,
   19 rue Claude Lorrain, 75016 Paris, France

6. Mitrofor Archpriest Benjamin Joukoff (rector)

7. Protopriest Radu Apostolescu

8. Priest Nikolai Apostolescu

9. Reader Peter Philippenko
   Church tel: 33.1.45.27.24.82 Rector tel: 33.1.69.04.23.54 Fax: 33.1.69.04.71.55
   e-mail

10. Villemoisson Sur Orge: Church of the Czar Martyr Nicholas II and All the New Martyrs and Confessors

11. Mitrofor Archpriest Benjamin Joukoff (rector)

12. Protopriest Paul Poirier

13. Strasbourg: Church of Christ the Savior,
    7 rue Glacire, 67000 Strasbourg,
    Protopriest Radu Apostolescu, serving Priest

14. Reader Alexander Kondratuk, 2 rue d’Obernai, 67000 Strasbourg tel: 33.3.88.22.54.55

15. Lyon: St. Nicholas Church, 5 rue st. Genevieve, 69006 Lyon, France

16. Rector - Vacancy

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check out my website for french publications from our church.

http://www3.sympatico.ca/gultron/documents.htm

i will add more publications soon, it takes time correct the mistakes made by the scanner.

Glory to God!

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[ultra_sinful]

Orthodox6,

Here we go again. . . [sigh]

I don't intend to argue, but to answer this question by germanus,

Is there still Orthodoxy in France that is not under the ROCOR church?

Our church is not under ROCOR-L (Laurus), but under the true ROCOR, the ROCOR-V (Vitaly). What Gemanus meant is "not under ROCOR-L". So it is my duty to answer those who ask for truth.

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[ultra_sinful]

here you can find our Church in many countries. both sites have the same list.

http://www3.sympatico.ca/gultron/paroisses.htm

or

http://www.russianorthodoxchurchinexile ... meset.html

[germanus]

thank you for your comments. very enlightening. God Bless You. +