Traditionnalist in the MP?

[Edward]

"I was told that the majority of non married clergyman in the MP are pedophile pr homosexual. I would like to ask you, since you are in Russia, if this was an attack with bases or not. And by the way, do you have information about Alexey II and his taste for young and beautiful ladies? Did the Russian press issue something about this?" -Jean-Serge

This proves my point exactly. I get advised to not use such language as "schmatic", but no one questions such base name calling and slander. If your source is merely the internet or some maniac at Speakers' Corner at Hyde Park, London, then you can dish up any "facts" you are searching for.

I will first say that I have never seen anything in the Russian press implying that Patriarch Alexis to be guilty of any kind of sexual morality. Nor has there ever appeared to be any kind of pedophilia or homosexual crisis among MP Clergy. Then again, I have never had any particular interest in seeking out and exposing the sins of others. I have enough time dealing with my own.
With the enormous number of bishops, priests, monastics, etc. in the MP, there probably are some that aren't so great. Again, this is none of my business and has no bearing on my relationship with God or the Church. In fact, making such inquiries is soul destroying not only for the seeker but to those whom he may expose to such scandals, whether they be true or simply slanderous.
Again, ROCIE, ROAC, and other such groups certainly would glee at any such scandals in the MP as they could use it to justify their position. However, they will always seek to dismiss and belittle anything positive outside their own particular sect.

Edward

[Cat.Timothy.]

heretical reasoning in condemning Canonical churches/clergy and Orthodox faithful IS NOT love--it is hate...For starters:
1). donatism.
2). montanism.
3). ultra-montanism.
Blended with a strange brew which smacks of "replacement theology." ALL HERETICAL ways of thought used in jusgement of the Church...hate. Moreover, utter bedlam.
R

Firstly Canonical churches are those that strive to keep to the canons, especially the Dogmatic ones. therefore the "Moscow Patriarchate" cannot be counted as Canonical. The Russian canonical churches are ROAC, ROCOR-Vitaly, etc though of course none of them keep to the canons exactly and sadly they seem to ready to critize each other. Though again ROAC has in all fairness it seems to me done the most to be humble and seek true union in the face of the Antichrist.

Kollyvas you seem to forget the Greek synod of 1935 which declared the New Calenderist schismatics to be devoid of Grace. You also forget the ROCOR cursing of Ecumenism in 1983. Remember that donatism, monatism and ultra-montanism were condemned at LOCAL and not ECUMENICAL councils and yet in the Mind of the Church which is the Mind of Christ those who hold them are cut off from the Church and accursed.

What is Replacement theology? And what in Vladimir Moss's writings smacks of Replacement theology?

Theophan.

[Kollyvas]

The GOC Council of 1935 was later disavowed by one of its prime signatories, +Metropolitan Chrysostomos of Florina AND WAS OF LOCAL CHARACTER, not bearing Ecumenical character; likewise, the ROCOR anathemas, which ROCOR UNDERSTOOD AS SUCH, for they were NEVER applied to either the Serbian or Jerusalem Patriarchates. In the ORTHODOX CHURCH, not one man, not one bishop, not one synodeia, not one local church speaks for all--that is papal and HERETICAL ecclesiology, ultamontanism. Which council bearing Ecumenical character declared the Church of Russia, the MP, uncanonical?! sectarian bedlam. Again, Dr. Moss is clearly having a negative sectarian influence on some and leading them straight out of the Church with his donatist, montanist, ultramontane HERETICAL ecclesiology which sees itself as replacing the Church which it views "has fallen away." Trolling for the sake of provocation is not worthy of Orthodox discussion. Enough
R
Dr. Moss' ecclesiology is just as heretical as ecumenism or sergianism and mandates repentance. ANY synodeia espousing it becomes indeed "uncanonical" and betrays the resistance it supposedly upholds. montanism, donatism & ultramontanism can NEVER be the cause of resistance just as arianism or iconoclasm cannot be EVER seen as barometers of Orthodoxy. Here, ecumenism, sergianism WHICH await the condemnations of the Oikumene are being used as cause celebres to sacriledgiously rehabilitate older, ECUMENICALLY condemned heresies. And someone mentioned Canons?! I say remove the beam from your own eyes and pursue repentance, for this course of "pseudodoxy" leads one straight out of the Church. Let ANY Synodeia beware which is espousing this type of ecclesiology for it bears Synodal CONDEMNATION and will result in anathemization, not affirmation of resistance.

[Jean-Serge]

"I was told that the majority of non married clergyman in the MP are pedophile pr homosexual. I would like to ask you, since you are in Russia, if this was an attack with bases or not. And by the way, do you have information about Alexey II and his taste for young and beautiful ladies? Did the Russian press issue something about this?" -Jean-Serge

This proves my point exactly. I get advised to not use such language as "schmatic", but no one questions such base name calling and slander. If your source is merely the internet or some maniac at Speakers' Corner at Hyde Park, London, then you can dish up any "facts" you are searching for.
Edward

It was simply a question not an accusation...

[Jean-Serge]

"I was told that the majority of non married clergyman in the MP are pedophile pr homosexual. I would like to ask you, since you are in Russia, if this was an attack with bases or not. And by the way, do you have information about Alexey II and his taste for young and beautiful ladies? Did the Russian press issue something about this?" -Jean-Serge

This proves my point exactly. I get advised to not use such language as "schmatic", but no one questions such base name calling and slander. If your source is merely the internet or some maniac at Speakers' Corner at Hyde Park, London, then you can dish up any "facts" you are searching for.
Edward

It was simply a question not an accusation...

My question and my interrogations about MP non married clergy's morality seems to be shared by the pro-unia ROCOR priest Andrew Philips in his last orticle on www.orthodoxengland.org.uk titled Repentance And Unity: Conversations On Rocor And The MP

I.R.: What corruption?

F.A.: From the 1960s on, it is well known that the KGB infiltrated the MP, placing homosexual and pedophile agents among the episcopate of the MP. There was also sexual corruption. Nearly twenty-five years ago I was myself offered the priesthood by an MP bishop, provided that he could sleep with my wife. Naturally, I refused. There were other similar cases in Siberia some twenty years ago. Then there was the notorious case of their homosexual bishop in France in the 1990s, who thankfully was replaced.

I hope Edward will never have a bad experience when making a metany in a MP church...