ROCOR Anathema Against ecumenism (1983)

[Ebor]

IT IS NOT QUESTION OF INTERPRETATION.

Yes it is, Jean Serge.
You are assuming that "recognising baptism" is the same as saying that that baptism is effectual for salvation. They are not the same thing.

You reminded me of a joke from a Texan I know: A Baptist in Texas is asked if he believes in "infant baptism". He replies "Believe it? I've seen it done."

.....a matter of diplomacy and politeness rather than doctrinal error.
And don't tell me that there is no room for diplomacy and politeness in the task of evangelization, because St. Paul was an excellent diplomat as shown by his speach to the Athenians of the Areopagus, and Scripture tells us to "speak the truth in love." There is a time and place for everything, and the first introductiuon to someone is not the time to tell them that their baptism is ineffectual for salvation.

Radical.

Ebor

[Kollyvas]

+Hilarion is a disgrace...

Now, the issue of Apostolic Succession is not so clear-cut. Both the Russian and Greek (the Tetrarchy) local churches have long recognized RC Apostolic Succession and orders, even with their "local tradition" of a single consecrator per kheiritonia. Non-Chalcedonian orders and Apotolic Succession have likewise been recognized. Now, what is recognized is the legal form of the office, but not its charisma. ROCOR and certain GOCs for a time were rebaptizing and reconsecrating RC clergy, but this was a new precedent. I personally feel that the Orthodox should install Orthodox Bishops in the west, including in Rome, but understand that would spark such controversy as to disrupt the good order of the Church. No, their "sacraments" are graceless, BUT if as a Confession, large latin or uniate segments were to be received back into the Church, Holy Orthodoxy, I believe oikonomia would be appropriate in validating their Baptisms, Nuptials as well as their Kheiritonias. The question of "commemorating their saints," however stupefies one in the audacity, boldness, lack of fidelity to Orthodoxy. and slavish allegiance to formality encased in a mylar of political correctness which is clearcut sacriledge...especially when ONE CONSIDERS ONENESS OF FAITH AT THIS POINT IS UTTERLY LACKING, indeed, was rejected by the very heretic-apostaste demoniacs they would commemorate as "saints"--I thought phyletism (the ultimate reason for commemorating these apostates) was heresy?! This is a clearcut example of how dark a road phyletism leads one, mocking the Holy Spirit, by "glorifying" those who blasphemed...Merzost' zapustenie.
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I've also made a new resolution for the Feast and that is to apply a fairer standard to ROCOR, much the same as I do to other jurisdictions. I'm going to bid adieu to undue criticisms and Fr. Komarovsky's ROCOR in general in an upcoming post...