ROCOR : will the flock prevent the unia?

[Kollyvas]

When I was chrismated, part of my responsibility became looking out for the welfare of the Church--every Orthodox Christian bears that responsibility.

1). what about the ones who came before them, WHO are incorrupt?! Those you don't trust...I find it rather difficult to trust anyone who falls under their own anathemas. Blessed +Metropolitan Philaret taught me that.

2). you mean the St. Paul who exhorted the Corinthians to righteousness, to put off the wickedness of the old man? Yeah, that's the one Blessed +Metropolitan Philaret preached to us, that the Fr. Komarovsky camarilla is trying to silence.

3). your ecclesiological model expresses itself as Bishops having an "unquestionable magisterium," not what any Father taught, but I know where something like that is taught... We've gone over resistance with conciliarity as the mode by which the Church overcomes error and disputes. No, the Fathers WERE NOT protestants, although in some places they seem to be "obsolete." Yes, St. Basil, for instance, exhorted the Orthodox to flee those bishops in error. Yes, Chrismation is the seal of the Holy Spirit and is very real, not symbolic. Finally, I'm a faithful son of the MP, so attacking me for factionalism?! But resistance is, indeed, legitimate. Blessed +Metropolitan Philaret laught us that too.

4). I never said I hated you either...Blessed +Metropolitan Philaret taught us to love. So did SAINT John of San Francisco.

ORTHODOXIA I THANATOS!
R M Malleev-Pokrovsky

I do hope you all recognize the mess you're in. Look 10 years into the future--you probably won't exist; moreover, you'll either have to deal with corruption and bankruptcies or find someplace else to pray.

[Roman]

Excuse me, brothers.

As a ROCOR parishioner, ANTI-ECUMENIST, TRADITIONALIST, AGAINST the union with the MP, and NOT a coward, I need to say some things:
We shouldn't look forward to guessing the future. We have nothing to do wit it, but only God knows the future.
If we, that are ABSOLUTELY AGAINST the union with the MP haven't fled from ROCOR yet, it's because we do need and must fight together, and not to flee like cowards who don't want to fight the good combat.
If everybody that is against would flee and create a schism, as we have known here in South America, then at the last time there will not remain anybody to fight. We're already weak because this schism. If they have remained, now we would be stronger. But we're still mostly AGAINST the union, and we may stay firm together.
St. John Chrysostom has said that to create a schism is even dangerous than a heresy.
It's just too comfortable not to face our struggle, flee away and not to fight for the Traditional Orthodoxy.
Why do you spread and incite discord and schism? Be aware not to be seduced by "prelest" (God forbid!), my dears.
If, on May 2006 there's a resolution to join the MP, you must know that those who want to apostate definetely from the Traditional ROCOR, go away.
We, the Traditional ROCOR, will keep to exist, even if it's only with one bishop. We'll not flee away nor "leave" ROCOR, but we'll KEEP to exist.
You can wander about what is going on inside ROCOR. But only that. You're not here to see what really happens and to consider at minimum the result of leaving ROCOR before any official and concrete act.
No. We're not in favor of concelebrating with the Serbs, if you're considering it.
It's not only here in Brazil we think that way. There are many people in ROCOR against and that does NOT support such rapproachment with the devil.
I won't have access to internet for the next 6 weeks, since I'm going for a pilgrimage to Greece, Bulgaria and Romania, for what I ask your prayers and your pardon if in any time I have offended you.

In XC,
The Sinner Roman

[Jean-Serge]

Yes I partly agree with you Roman... It is a difficult question.

Those who stayed to fight for rightness are telling to those who went : "yes if you have stayed, we would be stronger." It is true that the departure could deprive the anti-unia of majority in some parishes... And everybody knows the ownership of the Church (the building) is a key element.

So I must encourage all who are still anti-unia and still in ROCOR to be adherent of the organization managing the building in order to be able to make secession when the Synod decide to join the MP and keep the parish, the church (building) free from commemoration of Alexey II Drozdov Lubianskago

And those who fled are telling to those who stayed, "if you had followed us, we would be a more powerful group now... The fact is that you did not realize the bad nature of the current evolution soon enough".

[Priest Siluan]

The deceased Vladyka Alexandr (Mileant) wrote in his Great Lent Epistle:

"It disturbs me that several troubled hierarchs — as, for example, "Bishop" Anthony (Nikita Orlov), "Metropolitan" Valentine of Suzdal, and Metropolitan Cyprian of the Greek old-calendar church — using our ecclesiastical disturbances and my illness, make plans to tear away parishes and believers of the diocese of South America for their own schismatic groups."

I didn't understand his statement completely, Mainly in the point about Metropolitan Kyprianos, because his doesn't have parishes in South America. Vladyka Alexandr was a very wise man, I recently now am beginning to understand... Met Kiprianos soon will have his parishes in South America.

[Kollyvas]

Bless Father.

Vladyka Aleksandr--Memory Eternal!--was a sick man when he was making some pretty extreme statements which bore no relationship with reality: he went so far as to term some people "graceless." He was under the influence of that charlatan, Fr. Komarovsky, and so should really be remembered for who he was before he was pushed in a untenable direction...

In the LOVE of Christ,
Rostislav

[Priest Siluan]

Yes. I agree about your point about Vladyka Alexandr, and I remember well to him. But he is not the point of my previous post.

[DavidHawthorne]

Bless Father.

Vladyka Aleksandr--Memory Eternal!--was a sick man when he was making some pretty extreme statements which bore no relationship with reality: he went so far as to term some people "graceless." He was under the influence of that charlatan, Fr. Komarovsky, and so should really be remembered for who he was before he was pushed in a untenable direction...

In the LOVE of Christ,
Rostislav

I honestly don't understand this post- Vladyka Aleksandr declared some people "graceless" (extreme Traditionalist position) under the influence of Fr. Alexander Lebedeff who you believe to be a rabid ecumenist?