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Dear in Christ Ludmilla,
You wrote:
I wonder.............how would every one have reacted if instead of ROCOR .....the initals spread through out this posting read.....oh I don't know maybe...ROAC or TOC or SCOBA or ROCIE?
Did I miss something? I don't think this particular thread has been about ROCOR(L)? Do you mean to reply to a different thread?
in Christ,
Nectarios
Dear Nektarios:
No I meant this one and others like it I suppose. As a member of ROCOR, I am forced to wonder what all these threads would be saying if you replaced the "ROCOR-L" with any other acromyn, be it ROCA, ROAC, ROCIE or any of the other myriad of jurisdictions. Would there have been as loud, as harsh, as mean spirited a discussion? Would there have been as much zloba?
Milla
Dear Luidmilla,
Well, since this thread wasn't about ROCOR, I don't know what to say. I can say that the anti-Matthewite attacks have been plenty, if not on this List, certainly on other Lists. Mostly, based on hearsay and misinformation. It is unfortunate that these negative attacks occur. I left ROCOR because for me, the current pro-MP approach was uncomfortable. Do I bear any grudge against ROCOR...no, absolutely not! In fact, I believe that if ROCOR(L) wants to merge with the MP, that is none of my business. they apparently have been wanting to do that for many years, so I don't understand the conflicts people have with them. If people don't want to be a part of this, they can leave and find another jurisdiction as I did. I have no qualms about ROCOR.
yours in Christ,
Nectarios
Dear Nektarios:
I agree with your statements. There are many voices raised against ROCOR-L that all seem to be raised by people who have left the jurisdiction, yet they persist in their rancor and vociferousness. If only they had had the courage to stay and fight for their beliefs from within, but they choose to leave, but apparently not "all" the way since they still rail on!and still seek to change that which they left. Makes me wonder where their loyalties really lie....to Christ and his church or to the church politics of the day? Its seems that they have no hope in the Hand of God.... but must take things into their own hands.
Milla
Firstly, it's been documented WHY ROCOR is undergoing crticism, BECAUSE it's anathemizing itself, under the control of that political charlatan: Fr. Komarovsky here, and, desecrating that which in its past WAS HOLY, which formed many of us. That past--the legacy of Blessed +Metropolitan Philaret--is BEING portrayed as sectarian /schismatic by the shameless clique currently in power. Moreover, this body, once known for resistance, not having having formally renounced it, is now portrayed AS CAPITULATING IT, setting EVERYONE back...As far as "staying in ROCOR," we know of clergy being silenced at "sobors," of laity being removed from meetings--+laurus' tactics have not escaped unnoticed. No, these amateurish bunglers WILL NOT get a pass. Besides, this thread WAS about promoting unity amongst TRADITIONALISTS in and out of resistance--some prefer ultramontane alternatives and that's fine--to restore conciliarity AND UNDO the damage being done by the Fr. Komarovsky clique. Ignoring topic and attempting to hijack the thread to promote your own cause is not appropriate. Go start your own ROCOR self-help thread...
R
Kollyvas, I don't think that was her point at all. The thread as I understand it is believing in one. Well in believing in "one" we have to start from the beginning, referring to post 17 activity. Restoring the Traditional Church. Have a feeling that once that happens the resistor churches that branched from ROCOR will ultimately join the same. Take away the politics and what are we left with. That's right One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. So Milla, right on.
How is it ROCOR surmises it can promote unity between resister and Oikumene Traditionalists when it's stated policy is CAPITULATION on resistance, anathemizing itself, and disowning them, resisters, as "schismatic sectarians." We are all well aware of Fr. Komarovsky's work--it's no secret. I know you're not serious. It's pretty clear they're trying orchestrate damage control by hijacking threads. I can just as soon start another and make it a point to debunk your current disinformation campaign. Please go and pity those bunglers in ROCOR on your own thread...
R
