I Believe In ONE Holy Catholic & Apostolic Church...

Kollyvas · Post by **Kollyvas** » Wed 30 November 2005 7:36 pm

Christ is in our midst!
He is and ever shall be!

One of the most disturbing things I recall about the resister mentalite is that they lacked faith in the Church. Howso? When approached with suggestions for dialogue, ecclesiastical courts, reaching out to laity of "World Orthodoxy," they were always dismissive. "antichrist is coming! Nothing can be done." was common in parliance. Others spoke of "corruption" and "apostasy" and "gracelessness," literally condemning other Orthodox Christians like latter day calvinists. Still others floated politics and ethnic hatreds as their "Orthodox alternatives." Even now one can scarcely hear a solution from their ranks. They scoff at talks of anathemas, dialogue, counciliarity--they won't have it. And why?! Precisely because the rhetoric of hatred must be preserved, and deep down, they are pessimistic about their own positions--the emperor has no clothes! This alienation is not healthy, not Orthodox, and what is occuring is more flotsam being pulled along by the mighty ship of Orthodoxy, flotsam which refuses to serve the Church. Spare us gossip, hatred, slander, and offer solutions for the unity of us all. In the Creed we confess ONE Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church--let's start acting like it...Our enemies are common and the cause being served is their successful work of "divide et impera": stop handing the day to the Fr. Komarovskys!!!
Orthodoxia I Thanatos!
Rostislav Mikhailovich Malleev-Pokrovsky

SouthernOrthodox · Wed 30 November 2005 7:53 pm

Amen. In peace, let us pray.

George Australia · Post by **George Australia** » Thu 1 December 2005 3:06 am

SouthernOrthodox wrote:
Amen. In peace, let us pray.

Amen. Indeed let us pray....
And "leave the dead to bury their dead" and move on.

ioannis · Post by **ioannis** » Mon 5 December 2005 9:42 am

I Believe In ONE Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. I do not believe in two, or three "Holy Catholic and Apostolic Churches".

Therefore, those who accept the "Mysteries" of psuedo-churches confess the Creed with their lips, but are denying it with their hearts. I do not accept these men as Orthodox and anyone in communion with them.

I don't offer sulutions apart from the ones demanded by the Holy Fathers: Run from heretics and have nothing to do with them.

If you would like to call this "gossip", "hatred", and "slander" by a "neo-Calvanist", well, feel free.

SouthernOrthodox · Mon 5 December 2005 10:10 am

Interesting point you bring up Ioannis. There would have been no way the Fathers could have fore saw the divisions with-in the Russian / Greek et al Churches and the various "off-spring" of such. So taking the Fathers words back then would have been much clearer, Orthodoxy yes all other not. Today the line is blurred totally to who is right who is wrong, if I have it, you must not ect ect ect. Not sure this was the holy Fathers intent. I am in no way preaching World Orthodoxy. But as a member of ROCOR (the right one by the way) saying folks from lets say the OCA were wrong, wouldn't that by definition make me the heretic?

ioannis · Post by **ioannis** » Mon 5 December 2005 10:28 am

But as a member of ROCOR (the right one by the way) saying folks from lets say the OCA were wrong, wouldn't that by definition make me the heretic?

SO,

I mean when the EP, OCA, ect. ect. recogize RCC and Protestant "baptisms" as real Baptisms, they are recognizing that they have the Mysteries of the Church, and can make people members of the Church of Christ. The Antiochians and Alexandrians officially recognize monophysite baptisms and marriages, so this is the same situation. I think I just read the other day that Athina Onassis who is said to be "Greek Orthodox", just had what was called an "ecumenical marriage" where both a Greek priest and a Roman catholic priest held a joint service. And if you look closley at the GOA website, you will see where they actually have a section for marriages where one person is not "Orthodox" - what a travesty.

So I cannot confess "One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church" and be in communion with people who have in their hearts the Protestant idea of a "broader" "fuzzy" "ecumenical" church. This is not the Orthodox faith and I intend to remain Orthodox and set my children on the right path also. And if people want to call me names for doing so, I will gladly accept it and hope it goes toward my salvation.

Joseph · Post by **Joseph** » Mon 5 December 2005 12:19 pm

From what I have read, things have never been clear in the times of heresy. During the Arian contraversy there were splits upon splits, competing bishops in the same diocese and much confusion as to who was Orthodox and who wasn't - no different than today. The one thing that is clear is that world Orthodoxy is in heresy today as surely as it was in the time of the Arians, Iconoclasts and all the others, and the Fathers tell us to flee for our lives and have no communion with heresy.