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Palesinian Terrorists were trained by the KGB

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Sbn Nathaniel wrote:

"It is a known fact that the KGB has for a long time had clients
in the Arab world.

+++ Yes of course that is true. I recall hearing on the news that
Palesinian Terrorists were trained by the KGB in Russia.

Sbn Nathaniel wrote:

"JERICHO West Bank, Feb. 11 2000 - Two weeks ago, Moscow
Patriarch Alexei II came on a Christmas pilgrimage to
Bethlehem and presented Arafat with documents laying claim
to monastery property in Hebron. Alexei II is the leader of
the Red Church." JEWISH WORLD PRESS

+++I had no idea about this. Dear Sbn Nathanael, can you provide
more specifics?

Sbn Jerjis/Dr Alajaji

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Post by Cat.Timothy. »

I am aganist the British occupation of the north eastern six counties of Ulster but I would never support the Marxist Sinn Fein, for the simple reason that Marxism has more than amply proved to be the enemny of Christ and His Orthodoxy. Here in Dublin a Pannikida was held for the KGB trained Ahrafat by Father George of the Moscow Patriarchate. I was told that the said ex-leader of the PLO was a good friend of Met Kyrill. Of course rather than help them serve I quickly left the Church, I shouldve left that Soviet Church for good then and there. Lord have Mercy of on my soul! :ohvey:

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"I smell a rat in Abp Mark."

Post by Konstantin Preobrazhensky »

Here are the facts with regard to the MP property takevoer of the
Hebron monastery.

In July 1997 when the MP, supported by the Palestinians, seized
control of the ROCOR’s monastery in Hebron, Israel, Archbishop
Mark was given control of the ROCOR’s commission to investigate
the matter.

Abp Mark promptly placed all the blame on Abbess Juliana of
the ROCOR’s Eleon monastery in Jerusalem, who had been the
Hebron monks’ main supporter and had refused to allow Patriarch
Alexis into her own monastery, and secured the expulsion of her
and all the ROCOR’s anti-Soviet clerics from the nation of Israel.

Abp Mark even compelled Metropolitan Vitaly to make a
humiliating apology to the Patriarch of Jerusalem and Yasser
Arafat.

It turned out that earlier in the year Archbishop Mark had had a
secret meeting with Patriarch Alexis II.

The Hebron newspaper "El Mascobbiyeh" reported that since
February, 1997 the monastery had secretly been transferred to the
MP through the head of the Russian ecclesiastical mission in
Jerusalem, Vasily Vasnev.

"I smell a rat in Abp Mark."

KP

On another note, the Metropolitan Anthony Memorial Society
is moving ahead in contacting key political persons of
influence,informing of a security threat that the MP/ROCOR union
poses to American society.
http://www.metanthonymemorial.org/

Konstantin Preobrazhensky

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Konstantin,

What can we laymen in ROCOR do? Met. Laurus and the bishops will make their decision, just the same, and they will tell us that we must obey our hiearchs. We have no ability to keep them from joining. There will just be another schism. What can we laymen do?

In Christ,

Joanna

Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me. (Ps. 50)

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Post by Jean-Serge »

joasia wrote:

Konstantin,

What can we laymen in ROCOR do? Met. Laurus and the bishops will make their decision, just the same, and they will tell us that we must obey our hiearchs. We have no ability to keep them from joining. There will just be another schism. What can we laymen do?

In Christ,

Joanna

Well your question raises an interesting topic... In fact, Orthodoxy is not a vladikracy. The hierarch do not rule the church. The laymen also have the ryam priesthood. That is why they are supposed to defend the faith against the heresies. In this case, abeying a hierarch, while knowing he is wrong or betraying would be an unacceptable sin.

Look back in the History. At the time of Saint Maxim, did he say, all the bishops are monthelist, so I am going to obey? Did the orthodox people accept the Ferrare Florence council saying 99% of our nbishops signed the union, so we are going to obey...

Wake up guys, orthodoxy is neither a democracy, nor a vladikracy (the power of the vladikas). Everyone is here to defend the faith. Unfortunantely, few people are aware of this or even interested in faith... If they were really, the ecumenist hierarchs would habe been forced to leave a long time ago due to popular pressure... But since quite everybody forgot the faith is not only a theologian affair... we are in the miserable and poor condition...

Priidite, poklonimsja i pripadem ko Hristu.

Nathaniel Kapner

Dear Reverend Jerry Falwell

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Dear Reverend Jerry Falwell,

Two years ago Pat Robertson spoke for the first time at a Jewish Synagogue in Boston MA. I went with a friend of mine who is a major fund raiser for "Israel Bonds," a Mr Norman Kramm.

After Pat's talk I walked up and introduced myself to him. I was wearing a "yeshiva" fedora and I look very "Jewish." See: http://www.livejournal.com/users/sbn_nathanael/

I said, "Pat you are never going to believe who I am." -- I then pulled out my cross from under my suit and Pat was stunned! I told him that I was a "messianic jew" as well as an "Orthodox Christian +monk. We then hugged! We lost touch since then...

Yesterday I spoke with Pat Robertson's personal secretary Barbara Johnson regarding a very serious threat to American neighborhoods:

"- I am concerned that the forthcoming union of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Of Russia (ROCOR) with the Moscow Patriarchy of the Russian Orthodox Church (MP/ROC) will enhance Russian espionage in the USA..."

My dear fans and enemies. This letter went directly to Rev Jerry Falwell's private secretary. She reviews all of Dr Falwell's personal e mails before sending it on to him. I spoke with her and I am confident that Dr Falwell will see this correspondence and a much more personal one which will remain as such.

+ROAC Subdeacon Nathanael Kapner
Confessor - Fr Andrei' Maklakov
My good friend - Dr Jerjis Alajaji

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My good friend you are pretty naive on American politics. If in fact the future Metropolitan Jerry or is it Pat uses their secular pull in American politics, they will just not investigate the MP here in the states. No my good friends they will look at all things Russian Orthodox. Not tiring to win many friends with-in the "Russian" community here are you? Not sure how you could use the ROAC pre-fix in your signature block.

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