May 2006: THE ROCOR & THE MP UNITE!

[CGW]

I must confess, Nathaniel, that any argument in your last post totally excapes me. It seems indeed to be a denunciad utterly lacking any grounding in some relevance to some situation.

[Kollyvas]

Um, in protlingo or nailthud--whichever is more applicable--do they have a PATRISTIC OR EVEN GOSPEL understanding of the CHURCH, not to mention autocephaly, autonomy, resistance, commemoration, COMMUNION, etc....No wonder the lack of understanding--NO GRACE!
r

[Edward]

You are caught, stating there is no grace in the MP. Does that mean no grace in the mysteries?

Once again, you have failed to understand (or perhaps chose to ignore) the reality of Church life in Russia.

Liturgical life in the Moscow Patriarchate is richer even than in ROCOR. Most parishes in Moscow have at least daily Matins and Vespers. They are open most of the day so that people can come, venerate the icons, and say a few prayers in the midst of their daily routines.

How many seminaries and monasteries have been restored? I cannot even count anymore.

If the Moscow Patriarchate is so evil and graceless, why do monasteries in their fold, such as Holy Trinity Lavra, Optina, Valaam, Solovki now have grace bearing elders?

Perhaps there are isolated incidents of communion being given to Latins, I have never seen this to be the practice in Russia. I was just again at the Kiev Caves Monastery last Sunday, and I distinctly remember a notice their stating that faithful should only write on the commemoration cards the names of those who are part of the canonical Church (ie. not Kiev Patriarchate, UOAC, or the Uniates).

Why you sit comfortably in your homes, judging others (in clear violation of Christ's commandments), just think, they are in their Churches praying, they are struggling to further re-establish Orthodox Christianity in Russia. These "Catacomb" groups are invisible. Yet, I can walk in the center of Moscow during the working week and at 5pm, I will hear the bells ringing, calling people to Vespers or Vigil. These "graceless" people are not spending their free time on the internet gossiping and obsessing over this quote or that quote or focusing on the past sins of their bishops.

No one denies that there are problems in Russia and even in the Russian Church. But my experience tells me that wherever there are people, there are problems. That is the reason we can only find salvation in Christ and in His Church.

Edward
geh8988@gmail.com

PS It did not take me great courage to right this, just common sense!

[Kollyvas]

Um, no I was talking about the the protestant...LOL! Secondly, where is the apology for the MP in communion with rome?!
r

[Nathaniel Kapner]

"And they said, Come let us build a tower whose top may reach unto
heaven and let us make to ourselves a name. And the Lord came down
to see the tower which the sons of men built." [Genesis 11]

IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.
AMEN.

"Where Thy temple stood will rise a new building, the terrible tower
of Babel will be built again," said the Grand Inquisitor to the
meek and lowly Christ.

My dearly beloved Orthodox Christians, Feodor Dostoevsky who penned
these lines in 1879 foresaw what still remains unperceived by many.
And what was it that he foresaw? None other than that the "Church"
would become the new Tower of Babel - that same tower that the
Lord in times past came down to see and then destroy.

And what was this Tower of Babel that the Lord came down to see?:

"And the Lord said, Behold there is one race and one lip of all,
and this tower they begin to build. And now nothing will be
restrained from them which they have imagined to do."

This tower of olden times was a humanistic enterprize to reach the
things of heaven not as God knows heaven to be, but a heaven made in
the image-inations of man.

Dearly beloved ones, Tzar Nicholas II was shot on July 16 1918. Oh
that fateful day! On that day began the beginning of our most
lamentable fate - the scattering of the One Holy Catholic and
Apostolic Church.

Yes this was a great evil. The Church had lost her restraining power
in the person of the Orthodox Tzar now lying in a pool of blood. The
gentle 17 year old Anastasia, the youngest of the three daughters,
lay huddled against the wall, covering her head with her arms. This
my dear ones is now our precious Orthodox Church, lying in a pool of
the blood of schisms and covering her head with arms of protection
against the assault of World Wide Ecumenism.

With the scattering and routing of the Apostolic Church, the
Bolshevik murderers of the Orthodox Tzar began to build a new
"Church," a new "Tower of Babel" which would reach unto heaven
rather than calling upon heaven to reach down unto man. The
Bolshevik atheists would have the kingdom of heaven their way not
Christ's way. And they chose a new Nimrod, a new hunter whose
kingdom like Nimrod would begin in Babylon. [Genesis 10]. What was
his name? Sergious Stragorodsky. What was his son's name if thou
canst tell? Stalin.

"We have taken the two edged sword of Caesar, and in taking it have
rejected Thee," the Grand Inquisitor declared to Christ.

Surely the Declaration of 1927 was exactly that, the "taking of the
two-edged sword of Caeser." The one edge, Caesar. The second edge, a
Caesar-enchained Church known as the Moscow Patriarchate.

What can we say, we who await the ROCOR bishops' vote this coming
May of 2006 of either a PRO MP vote or a CONTRA MP vote?

Just this. The Tower Of Babel which the Bolsheviks built remains in
place in the Sergianist/Stalinist Church known as the Moscow
Patriarchate. And we who are Contra MP call upon the Lord of heaven
to again come down and see what bolshevik men began to do in 1927
and are zealously continuing to do in 2005/2006.

And may the Lord in His coming down to see, annihilate a ROCOR/MP
union that would make the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad of one race
and of one lip with the MP blasphemers.

God forbid it. May God forbid it.

For The Holy New Martyrs of Russia,

ROAC Subdeacon Nathaniel Kapner
"Stories My Rabbi Taught Me"
The Eleventh Hour
October 20/November 1/2005
St Artemius the Great Martyr

[SouthernOrthodox]

Amen Edward excellent response. It never fails to amaze me, that we, so called Russians living in the States forget the struggles of those in Russia. We sit and debate issuse and can't even agree on who the leader or person we choose to follow today will be. So thank you for being the source of reason around here

[Nathaniel Kapner]

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Date: Thu Nov 3, 2005 7:06 am
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"And Adam knew his wife again and she bore a son and called his
name Seth: "For God,'" said she, "hath appointed me another seed
instead of Abel whom Cain slew."

IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.
AMEN.

My dearly beloved Orthodox Christians, we have before us a most
poignant utterance by Eve, "God has appointed me another seed
instead of Abel whom Cain slew."

How painful for our dear first mother! Do we not feel Eve's anguish?
Where is the "enmity" between her seed and the seed of the serpent?
Not to be found. Instead there is "enmity" between brother and
brother and as the Prophet and our Saviour exclaimed,"a man's
enemies shall be those of his own household."

Let us follow the very sad course of the "history of man" in its
infancy.

THE SEED OF CAIN:

1. Cain slays Abel. [Genesis 4:8]
2. Cain accuses God of driving him away from His Presence. [Genesis
   4:14]
3. Cain departs from the Prescence of God. [Genesis 4: 16a]
4. Cain settles in "Nod," the land of the "restless." [Genesis 4:
   16b]
5. Cain's son Enoch builds a city whose builder and foundation
   is "man." [Genesis 4:17]
6. Enoch begets Lamech who marries two wives, Adah (adornment) and
   Zillah. (God is my protection)[Genesis 4:19]
7. Lamech begets Jabal who is "the father of all who dwell in tents
   feeding cattle. [Genesis 4:20]
8. Jabal's brother Jubel is "the father of all as such as handle
   the harp and organ." [Gen 4:21]
9. Tubalcain is born to Lamech who instructs in the forging of brass
   and iron. [Genesis 4:22]
10. Lamech murders two men, one older, one very young. [Genesis 4:23]
11. Lamech boasts of his "paseq habburah" - "wounding with a blue-
    bruise" murder. [Gen 4:23]
    12 Lamech mocks the Church's Tradition of the the Justice of the
    Lord God.

My dearly beloved ones, I wish to focus on the progression into a
multiple murder with #6, "Lamech marries two wives, Adah (adornment)
and Zillah. (God is my protection)

"From the beginning it was not so," our Saviour taught. For in the
beginning the Lord joined to Adam one wife not two. But the seed of
Cain was an evil seed from the beginning, a beginning grounded upon
the foundation of murder, and erected upon the mortar of departure
from the Prescence of God. Lamech cared nothing of the things
of God thus Lamech married two wives, Adah (adornment) and
Zillah. (God is my protection)

"What God has severed let no man join together," St Paul indicates
when he warns, "Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers
for what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?"

Adah is the "adornment of the world," and Zillah is the "shadowing
of God." The wicked MP who has "the blood of righteous Abel" on her
hands is cooing and preening herself for the righteous shadowed-of-
God, The Russian Church Abroad. It is nothing less than a "fatal
attraction." What can come of this "coupling?"

Lamech begat two sons, Jubal & Jubel. The former fed cattle, the
latter made merry. "Set your affections on things above, not on
things of the earth exhorted the chosen vessel."

I for one choose to keep my head in the big blue sky above me and
not grazing on dirt and dust. I am not interested in cows nor making
merry while stepping in their dung. The MP has her head down in
things below how she may be adorned with jacinth and brimstone. The
ROCOR still has her head in the steeps from whence cometh her help.

I hope yes I hope that as Christ keeps His Bride without spot and
without wrinkle, that in May of 2006 the twelve hierarchs of the
Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia, will remain just that.

For the Holy New Martyr +Bp Serge shot by the MP "whore" in +1929,

ROAC Subdeacon Nathaniel Kapner
The Eleventh Hour
October 22/November 4/2005
The Seven Sleepers of Ephesus