But also when a man is Orthodox and a female is Catholic, they can marry in an Orthodox without the Bride converting to Orthodox, but what is alot of times forgotten is the Dicese Bishop of the Catholic must give a blessing for this, and 8 times out of 10 he will hesitate this and wish for them to marry in the catholic church..so now there is a bizarre love triangle, on where to marry....if you do it with Proper blessing to have a proper and fruitful Marriage it will be very difficult.........So could I marry my Catholic girlfriend in her church ?
New calendar Greek baptism
"Kollyvas Posted: Sun 23 October 2005 3:23 am Post subject:
not if you wanted a Sacrament with grace...
and you have agreed to raise the offspring in the True Church, right? "
Yeah I know ,but the Catholic Priest has also asked the same from her, which leaves us going , HUH ? oh-well We pray and the out come will be GOD`s will, Right ? so now its a matter of sitting down and explaining to her the Orthodox Church Truth, she knows little things like the Mon,Wed,Friday fasts, sign of the Cross, some lives of the saints...but now is the time to disclose the philoque, the ascension of the Mother of God, her immaculate birth , and Vatican II...so wish me luck,people...............
Holy Athanasius Of Brest', pray to God for you!
R
http://www.stjohndc.org/russian/Saints/e_9809c.htm
Martyr Athanasius, abbot of Brest
5/18 September
Martyr Athanasius of Brest was a Byelorussian born around 1597, into the pious, Christian, Philippovitch family. He received a thorough education, and as documented in his extant diaries, was learned in theological and historical literature.
As a young man, St. Athanasius was for a time a tutor in the homes of Polish gentry. In 1627, he was tonsured by Abbot Joseph in the Vilna Monastery of the Holy Spirit. In 1632, Monk Athanasius was ordained a Hieromonk and assigned to be the abbot of the Dubov monastery near Pinsk. Endowed with a special blessing from the Mother of God, St. Athanasius selflessly defended Orthodoxy in the Russian lands seized by the Kingdom of Poland. From 1638 to 1648 St. Athanasius carried the obedience of abbot of the St. Symeon monastery in Brest. The venerable one suffered many insults from the uniates, was illegally punished by the government, and thrice endured incarceration. The authorities had the saint taken to Kiev to stand before trial before the spiritual court, but he was acquitted, and returned to his monastery. For ten years, living among those ill-disposed to him, Venerable St. Athanasius carried on an unceasing battle in defense of the Holy Orthodox Faith, to which he bore witness by his suffering.
Attempts to break the saint’s spiritual will and aspirations proved fruitless. The Venerable Martyr was again put on trial, was judged by the unia, and was condemned to death. St. Athanasius was martyred on the night of September 4th-5th, 1648. His relics were discovered on July 20, 1679.
The Mystery Of Baptism & The Unity Of The Church
http://uncutmountain.com/uncut/docs/heers_baptism.pdf
...The Trojan Horse of Ecumenists
There is an idea circulating among the Orthodox that there are “dark powers” working against the Church. Undoubtedly, there are. First of all, the fallen angels, with the evil one at their helm, and afterward all those among the race of men who serve their interests. And, yet, the greatest enemy of the Church has always been the enemy within.
With the signing of the latest ecumenistic agreement in September in Germany with the Lutheran Church, the Ecumenical Patriarchate has opened the door to the Trojan horse of ecumenism in an unprecedented way. According to this document, from now on it will be impossible to baptize again Christians transferring from Lutheranism to Orthodoxy and vice versa. This means, in simple terms, that the Ecumenical Patriarchate has abandoned Orthodox ecclesiology and even the possibility of applying akrivia(essentially making oikonomia the rule) and embraced the theory of “primordial unity” in one “common baptism” - a novel (and heretical) idea dreamed up by modern ecumenists, originating with the decrees on ecumenism of Vatican II.
The faithful may rightly ask with indignation:
• Is this not already a “false union” - albeit “partial”?
• Do we need to wait for the “common cup” when we already have the “common baptism”?
• In this agreement are the heterodox not recognized as being baptized into the Church? If so, what else do they then lack? Are we not, therefore, one with them in the baptismal womb?
• What, besides prejudice and bigotry, now prevents us from communing with them?
Read The Mystery of Baptism and The Unity of the Church for a complete analysis of this and other similiar agreements. ...
Re: Kollyvas you are ridiculous...
Orthodox6 wrote:Yes, when a married couple convert to Orthodoxy, their wedding is blessed in the Orthodox church. A modified version of the Orthodox wedding service is celebrated, and the married pair have Orthodox Christian sponsors.
This is the norm everywhere -- both in Old Calendar and in New Calendar jurisdictions.
Orthodox6, I wish this was the case! I've NOT seen or heard of it being done! I don't want to disclose my jurisdiction, but it's a member of SCOBA. The ONLY Orthodox wedding services of previously-married-in-other-Christian-bodies I've heard of is of those couples who choose to do it for a 20th-25th anniversary celebration, something like that. I WISH all the married couples in my parish who converted to Orthodox were married in the Church. Ain't likely to happen any time soon, either.
When I came into the Antiochian Archdiocese, nothing was said about the need for proper baptism (our children had been baptized by pouring in the Lutheran church and my wife and I had received single immersion in evangelical protestant churches). Nothing was said about the need for an Orthodox marriage and nothing was said about the requirements of the canons regarding ordination into the priesthood. It was a given that since i had been a Lutheran pastor I qualified to be an Orthodox priest. I was also lead to believe that a bishop who publicly preaches heresy can still convey the grace of the mysteries.
I was not aware of any of these things until we went to the Old Cal. Greeks and there received baptism and the blessing of our marriage and there learned the canonical requirements for the priesthood and the rest of the Orthodox Faith.