United Front Against Heresy

Nikodemus · Post by **Nikodemus** » Mon 3 October 2005 2:34 pm

WHo am I to oppose the decisions of the fith, sith and seventh ecumenical councils who forbade with anathema those who participated in the heresy of Monophysitism? We must take side here, there is no middleway between truth and error: You speech should be yes yes, no no.

SouthernOrthodox · Post by **SouthernOrthodox** » Mon 3 October 2005 3:46 pm

Please forgive me, but a unification between groups who broke away from ROCOR outside of mother Russia will never happen. All deep doctrine of what each council stated aside, you will never get the leaders of these groups to decide on anything that remotely reassembles a "unified front". I will never forget growing up, how people fought like anything to keep English out of the service. Historically, we can discuss down to what the holy fathers ate for lunch during the councils and come up with two different views. My point is, yes I do not agree that we should introduce Latin in our services as a pre-cursor to a union with Rome, but my goodness, let us reclaim our rightful place as "Russian Orthodox".

Ekaterina · Post by **Ekaterina** » Mon 3 October 2005 4:01 pm

Why does it HAVE to be Russian Orthodox? Why can't it be just ORTHODOX? Why, oh, why do we HAVE to mix ethnicity into the whole thing?

I once read that Orthodoxy does not belong to Russians, Greeks, Bulgarians, Antiachans, or anybody else.....IT BELONGS TO THE ORTHODOX PEOPLE! This so true that everyone misses it. There is no ethnicity if we are all Orthodox!

Sheesh!

Katya

SouthernOrthodox · Post by **SouthernOrthodox** » Mon 3 October 2005 4:13 pm

I completely agree with you Katya. Unity to the Orthodox people Amen. This discussion the way I understand it was unifying the 14 or 15 groups (lost count) who broke off from ROCOR (Russian) people and join forces against heresy (how they view it).

Priest Siluan · Post by **Priest Siluan** » Mon 3 October 2005 5:26 pm

I feel sadness for people that have not understood anything... they don't understand the Orthodoxy, neither the Christianity... And even with all the problems that we have, I believe that the Traditional Orthodox Jurisdictions are the only thing really worthy... it is not difficult to realize it

Nikodemus · Post by **Nikodemus** » Mon 3 October 2005 6:18 pm

Southern Orthodox

So, I se that you are a relativist, denying the foundation of the Holy Faith. Thank you for your contribution. If you really believe that one cannot know the truth in the Church from the Holy Synods, saying that we can even have two opinions on what the Holy Fathers eat, you have clearly put yourself in a position where you se truth as just relative in the eyes of the beholder. I thought orthodoxy was the opposite of this: The confession of truth and the adherance to it.

Ekaterina

This post was about orthodoxy as orthodoxy...it is about faith, not ethnicity.

It is about naked truth

SouthernOrthodox · Post by **SouthernOrthodox** » Mon 3 October 2005 8:27 pm

Father thank you. You are correct, it is sad state of affairs, I couldn't agree more. But please correct me if I am wrong, isn't Christianity based on forgiveness, learning and realizing our fault and then trying to make amends. I believe wholeheartly, that two jurisdictions in five years will become 4 in ten years ect. ect. All good minded, but each one holding their first and fighting till the death that they are right and all others are wrong. I know, I've lived it. So who wins. I have been called many of things in my life, "relativist", that's a new one my good friend Nikodemus. Based on your post, I guess I can claim foundation and start my own. I may not known all there is (and never claimed to), but the Holy Fathers would have been very mad along time ago. Confession of truth and adherence to it. If I follow the dictates of the Holy Synod, how far off base would I be?