An Appeal to HOCNA

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Post by Nikodemus »

Dear brother Nathanael!

I just wonder why you dont send this metropolitan a private letter with personal content? Innermost feelings and the innermost spirituality of the person should be kept just between you and your spiritual father. Since I am married I of course discuss my (our) spiritual life with my wife. I am sorry for my bad english.

Ps. I was very glad to be informed that you are a convert from judaism. I remember St Pauls words: Here are neither jew or greek, all are one in Christ. Ds

I wish you the peace of Our Lord.

Nikodemus

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Post by Nathaniel Kapner »

Dear Fr Siluan,

Bless me dear ROAC(V) Father Siluan!

Ever since gregory anathamatized me, "cutting me off from The
Church," in his Protocol #183005, I have been meeting with a special friend.

It was this friend who counseled me to make amends and reconcile
myself with my former mentor, Fr. Panteleimon of HTM/HOCNA. Why did he counsel me so?

Because he understood that I had a tremendous respect for Fr.
Panteleimon as a father-figure, and felt agonizingly guilty for
sending the mailings with Fr. Panteleimon's picture on it. This was
the greatest sin of all.

I was haunted by the knowledge that I had done something really
wrong to a man of venerable old age. I felt horrible and continually
reproached myself. The guilt became so overwhelming, that I began to
feel that I must in some way punish myself or be punished. That's
what it came down to. (Father Siluan, I am not in any way, suicidal.)

Very early, this Monday morning, after a sleepless night, I went
for a walk in the woods near my apartment here in Leadville CO. I
felt that even though I posted the day before, "An Appeal To Fr.
Panteleimon," that it just wasn't enough to expiate or rather pay
for my sins against Fr. Panteleimon.

"What shall I do?" I asked myself. "Shall I buy a plane ticket for
Boston and just show up at HTM? But what if they refuse me? No -
that won't work," I said to myself.

I called my friend and he suggested, "would you consider making a
statement of your actions against your former mentor on the Internet
Discussion Group you belong to?" I answered," "It would be horribly
embarrassing - yet, I sense that it would give me a tremendous sense
of relief."

And so, I posted, "Father Panteleimon, Forgive Me!" - with a point
by point detailed listing of the specific sins that I had commited
against him.

Indeed, Father Siluan, I do feel a tremendous sense of relief, and my
conscience is beginning to feel relieved. But I feel that it is
not enough. I need now to talk this out with someone indirectly
involved with HTM/HOCNA, but directly involved close enough to have
full access to them. This too, is the advice of my friend.

He explains his advice this way, "Whenever a person commits an
action against someone close to him that he eventually feels guilty
of, and later feels regret about, after the formal apologies take
place, usually through a 3rd party, (Paradosis), the next step is to
move closer towards the party that one feels was offended.

And that is where I find myself now Father Siluan- in a kind of 'limbo.'

I just wish
that I could begin
talking again
with those whom I
\offended.

Nathaniel

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I speak to you not as a Clergy or anything like that,but as a person who has worked with many people on this subject,including myself...for Resentment is the number one offender of certain people and horrible things happen, that is why other people shouldnt give advice on this subject, Why? because they dont understand the rivaling that goes on in our Heads,for this is a matter of life and death......RESENTMENT is the Contant replaying of a certain event that has happened in ones life..either you hurt someone or that person/persons hurt you and you re-live it day in and day out....The other persons involve have more than likely forgotten you and have moved on in life..
it becomes such a burdeon that nothing seems to be of any good help....
this is very hard to understand by many who havent seen this terrible side of life and forgive me if i offend anybody ,but even going to church sometimes doesnt help..WHY? I dont know for sure,but many of us who once felt this same very way feel GOD has called upon us to fix these wrongs, I think it has to do with them more than us, for some reason GOD has a special place for them and we have hurt them...what i can say is me and several thousand others have realized it is a calling to make some sort of Amends process with those we have hurt......and only then will we be able to peel the scabs over our hardend hearts....amends has nothing to do with making it public,or saying IM Sorry. it is a willingness to do anything ,to re-pay and especially sitting with the Person/Persons harmed and simply asking GOd to help you say and really understand these simple words" HOW CAn I right what Ive WRONGED"..it has been proven that upon this process or even the willingness to right this wrong ,a great sense of God`s Grace ascends to us and we begin to see and peel at our once hardened Heart...

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Dear Br Nathaniel:

S Praznikom for the Feast of Nativity of All-Holy Mother of God.

I believe lowly that you only should wait the forgiveness of God, not that of men. And God always is willing to forgive and to console those who suffer as you is suffering now.


With love in Christ


Priest Siluan


PD: Apologize, but there is not a ROAC (V), only there is one ROAC, with a synod of bishops.

Nathaniel Kapner

A 'Call' To Met Ephrem (Hocna)

Post by Nathaniel Kapner »

Met. Ephrem authored "The Struggle Against Ecumenism." In the
opening remarks of "The Struggle's" Preface, Met. Ephrem pens these
words:

"For the past seventy-five years, the true Orthodox Christians in
Greece have witnessed political opposition, intrigues, betrayals,
exiles, and bloody persecutions from those erring in the Faith;
duplicity, slanders, and infiltration by their enemies; and INTERNAL
DIVISIONS AN MISUNDERSTANDINGS AMONG THEMSELVES--and yet, despite all this, they have courageously stood fast in their heroic
confession of the Orthodox Faith against the heresy of Ecumenism.

Bravo! Well said, Your Grace. You have left no stone unturned in
naming the oh so many problems of the True Orthodox Christians, both
from without and from within. Even today's Feast of the righteous
Joachim and Anna bears witness of INTERNAL DIVISIONS AND
MISUNDERSTANDINGS AMONG OURSELVES.

There is one stone THAT YOU DID LEAVE UNTURNED though, Your Grace,
the "stone of the prophet Zehariah's 7 eyes," in which you, dear
Metropolitan Ephrem, have before you the Lord's call upon your elder
statesmanship: "Call together every man his neighbor under the vine
and under the fig-tree." [Zechariah 3:10-11]

Stand fast therefore, dearest Metroplotian Ephrem, in YOUR heroic
confession of the Orthodox Faith, and be counted amongst us, the
True Orthodox Christians of this, The Euphrosynos Cafe Discussion Forum.

I remain you faithul admirer,

(ROAC)Sub Deacon Nathaniel Kapner

Nathaniel Kapner

Post by Nathaniel Kapner »

Fr. Panteleimon did indeed affirm my Jewish background, BUT he did
not affirm Judaism. The 'genius' of a Fr. Panteleimon lied in his
pastoral ability to see something in every person that he could
affirm.

We see this in our Savior over and over, "An Israelite indeed, in
whom there is no guile;" "Art thou a Master in Israel...?; "Thou
art Peter...;" "a daughter of Abraham...;" "every scribe of the
Kingdom of God..;" "more than a prophet...;" "they who are least in
the kingdom are greater...;" "The sons of thunder;" etc.

Many people OFF LIST and on, areasking me, 'why are you looking back, Nathaniel?' 'Fr Panteleimon isa bad man; ' you are like a dog returning to his own vomit,' you arecult-hopping, Nathaniel;' and on and on goes the anti-Panteleimon rhetoric.

If Fr Panteleimon is SO BAD, how is it that he has so many good
people who are loyal followers?

The same for Met Ephraim. If Met Ephraim is SO BAD, how is it that
so many churches with so many good people feeling great affection in
their hearts when they hear Metropolitan Ephraim's name called out
at every Liturgy?

I know for a fact that both ARE good men, men who every waking hour
of their lives, live, not for themselves, but for their flock.
People ask, "how can you say such a thing, Nathaniel?" Because I
lived under the same roof with these 2 men for 7 years. That's how.

The bottom line of the whole matter, of which, I would like to
settle in this Post, is that there is good and bad, strength and
weakness, health and infirmity, likeableness and unlikeableness - in
all that human observation calls, "man."

Is it any wonder then that St Paul continually exhorts us
to, "Forbear one another?" Who was at fault when we read, "The
contention between Paul and Barnabas was sharp?"

Let us then, instead of rubbing more 'canonical and speck-pulling
salt' into each others' wounds, ask ourselves, "is there any balm in
Gilead?" in our interactions with one another, INCLUDING Fr
Panteleimon and Met Ephraim of HOCNA and their flock - they are our
OC brothers and sisters too.

(ROAC) Sub Deacon Nathaniel
Leadville CO

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Post by Nathaniel Kapner »

I am still receiving anti-Panteleimon replies. My response is the following:

I have seen Fr. Panteleimon FROM THE INSIDE. After seven years of
living under the same roof with someone, a definite profile of a
fellow house-mate can be formed - a man can't keep his guard up
forever you know, especially in his own home.

I knew Fr. Panteleimon's habits, his dispositions, his mind-set, his
motivations, his likes and his dislikes. I could for the most part
anticipate how he would act in any given situation. One conclusion
out of many conclusions with regard to Fr. Panteleimon is: Fr
Panteleimon LOVES ORTHODOXY. In fact, he lives and breathes it.
There is nothing else that he converses on. Fr
Panteleimon's "tongue is the ever ready pen of a swiftly writing
Orthodox scribe."

Fr Panteleimon DOES attract good people, and that attraction is
enduring. Dr Cavarnos, the renown Orthodox author is one. Dr. Peter Carras of Byzantine-Tradtion is another. Dr. Vasilly Mihaloff is one. The renown Orthodox theologian Fr. Michael Azkoul is another. You will not find any with more integrity and substance than these men. And the list goes on. Fr. Panteleimon's loyal followers are for the most part, men and women of the highest intelligence and integrity. This alone is a reliable Testimony to Fr. Panteleimon's character.

My point in all of this 'Fr Panteleimon praising' is this. We OC
Traditional Christians have a man in our very midst in the likes of
a Fr Panteleimon, who can teach us and guide us into a deeper
understanding of our most precious Orthodox faith.

We OC Traditional Christians in the likes of a Fr Panteleimon 'have
a man' in our very midst who can carry us into the pool of Siloam
that we might be healed of the paralysis that prevents our union
with one another.

Why then should we not do all that we can to call upon Fr
Panteleimon to bring us out of all our OC Jurisdictional distresses?"

FATHER PANTELEIMON - WHERE ARE YOU?

(ROAC) Sub Deacon Nathaniel Kapner
Leadville CO 80461
September 23, 2005

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