A Open Letter to the Nishops of ROCOR (L) from an OCA layman

[Priest Siluan]

Patriarch Athenagoras lifts the Anathema against the Roman Catholics. Then now. Are Roman Catholics no longer heretic and would they have the Grace? If this question is affirmative all the "World Ortodoxy" is in communion with heretics... And I believe that it is evidently affirmative

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Your Blessings Father,
Thank you for the reply...I do agree with the stance of not having Communion with the ecumenists...this is a good thing and a good way to protect yourself from their heresies...

You wrote about not being able to call a Council now...I thought it is interesting that St. Nilus the Myrhstreamer of Mt. Athos wrote that shortly after the year 7500 from the creation of the world, which is 1992 there will be a final Ecumenical Council which will anathamatize the heretics from the Church...

This past year in Thessaloniki, Greece a Orthodox Conferance was called...this confernace was against ecumenism and was from many people within the so called official Orthodox Churches...maybe this was a step towards this Ecumenical Council the Saint wrote about?
These are some things this Council said:

1. The issue of sacramental inter-communion of the Patriarchate of Antioch with the Monophysites [Syrian Jacobites] be investigated, as well as the recognition of certain mysteries of these heretics [Coptic Monophysites] by the Patriarchate of Alexandria. Let the canonical principle be enforced in this case which says: "he who communes with the excommunicated is likewise excommunicated."

2. That it be made manifest to church leaders everywhere that, in the event that they continue to participate in, and lend support to, the pan-heresy of Ecumenism—both inter-christian and inter-religious—the obligatory salvific, canonical and patristic course for the faithful, clergy and laity, is excommunication: in other words, ceasing to commemorate bishops, who are co-responsible for, and co-communicants with, heresy and delusion. This is not a recourse to schism but rather to a God-pleasing confession, just as the ancient Fathers, and bishop-confessors in our own day have done, such as the esteemed and respected former Metropolitan of Florina, Augustinos, and the Fathers of the Holy Mountain (Athos).

These are the people who were at this conferance-they are from almost all the Churches of World Orthodoxy-it seems they are about to excommunicate the ecumenists if they continue in their heresies:

ACADEMIC COMMITTEE

Archpriest George Metallinos, Dean, School of Theology, University of Athens

Archpriest Theodore Zisis, Professor, School of Theology, Aristotle University of Thessaloniki

John Kornarakis, Prof. Em., School of Theology, University of Athens

Despo Lialiou, President, Dept. of Pastoral Theology, A.U.Th.

George Theodoroudis, Professor, School of Theology, A.U.Th.
ORGANIZATIONAL COMMITTEE

President: Archimandrite Joseph, Abbot, Holy Monastery of Xeropotamou, Mount Athos

Vice-President: Archimandrite Sarantis Sarantos, Professor, Rizareios Ecclesiastical School

Secretary: Monk Arsenios Vliangoftis Th.D., B.A.

Members: Archimandrite Timothy Sakkas, Abbot, Holy Monastery of Parakletos

Archimandrite Mark Manolis, Dir., "Pan-Hellenic Orthodox Union"

Archimandrite Lavrentios Gratsias, Homilist, Diocese of Florina, Prespae and Eordea
LIST OF PARTICIPANTS

Metropolitan Hierotheos of Nafpaktos and St. Blasios

Metropolitan Amfilohije (Radovic) of Montenegro and Littoral

Metropolitan Nathanael of Nevrokop, Bulgaria

Metropolitan John of Velesson and Parabardario (F.Y.R.O.M.)

Bishop Panteleimon of Ghana, Patriarchate of Alexandria

Bishop Artemios of Raskas and Prizren, Orthodox Church of Serbia

Archimandrite Joseph, Abbot of the Holy Monastery of Xeropotamou, Mount Athos

Archimandrite Demetrios Vasiliadis, Secretary, Holy Synod of the Patriarchate of the Jerusalem

Archimandrite Maximos Kyritsis, Abbot of the Holy Monastery of St. Dionysios, Mt. Olympus
Archimandrite Christophoros Tsiakkas, M.A. Theology, U.K., Sec. of the Snyodal Cmte. on Heresies of the Church of Cyprus

Archimandrite Nikodemos Barousis, Abbot of the Monastery of Panagia Chrysopodaritissa Archimandrite Sarantis Sarantos, Professor, Rizareios Ecclesiastical School
Archimandrite Ioannikios Kotsonis

Hieromonk Alexy Karakallinos (Trader)
Hieromonk Neilos Vatopedinos, Professor, Law School, Univ. of Great Hellas, Calabria

Hieromonk Vessarion and Hierodeacon Leontios, Holy Archangels Monastery, Neamts, Romania

Archpriest George Metallinos, Dean, School of Theology, Univ. of Athens

Archpriest Theodore Zisis, Professor, School of Theology, A.U.Th.

Archpriest George Dragas, Professor, Holy Cross Theological School, Boston
Archpriest Constantine Coman, Professor, Theological School, University of Bucharest

Archpriest Valentin Asmus, Professor, Theological School of Moscow

Archpriest Zourab Antadze, Orthodox Church of Georgia
Archpriest Constantine Stratigopoulos
Archpriest Lambros Fotopoulos, B.D., LL.B.
Fr. Paraskevas Agathonos D.D.

Fr. John Reeves, Orthodox Church in America
Fr. Christos Philiotis, D. D.

Fr. Peter A. Heers, Holy Diocese of Kastoria, Church of Greece
Geron Moses the Athonite Monk Arsenios Vliangoftis D.D.
Geron Lukas of Philotheou
Geron Nikodemos Bilalis, Theologian—Philologist
Despo Ath. Lialiou, D.D., President, Department of Pastoral Theology, A.U.Th.

Demetrios Tselengidis, Professor, School of Theology, A.U.Th.

Anthony Papadopoulos, Prof. Em., Theological School, A.U.Th.

John Kornarakis, D.D., Prof. Em., School of Theology, Univ. of Athens

Jean- Claude Larcher, Professor of Philosophy

Theodore Yiangou, D.D. Associate Professor, Theological School, A.U.Th.

Nicholas Vasileadis, Theologian

Constantine Cavarnos, D.D.
Constantine Kotsiopoulos, D.D., Instructor, School of Theology, A.U.Th.

Anthony Mironovitch, Professor, Department of Orthodox Theology, University of Bialistok
Panagiotis Sotirchos, Author-Journalist
Nicholas Selishchef, Member of the Russian Historical Society and Orthodox Journalist
Andreas Papavasileiou, D.D. Educator
Gregorios Liantas, candidate for D. Div.
Ivan Diatsekno, Professor, Ecclesiastical School "Ladder", Dneperopetrovsk

George Metallidis, D.D.
Christos Livanos, Chairman, Orthodox Brotherhood of "Saint Athanasius", Toronto, Canada

Vasilios Koukousas, D.D. – Educator

Radu Preda, D.D. Instructor, School of Theology, Clouz-Napoka, Romania

Soultana D. Lambrou, D.D., Associate Instructor, School of Theology, A.U.Th.
Anna Karamanidou, D.D., Associate Instructor, School of Theology, A.U.Th.

Daphne Varvitsioti, Historian

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Pat. Athenogoras lifted the anathema...it meant nothing at all...no Orthodox Church at least synodally and publicly allows Orthodox to recieve "communion" in a catholic church...nor will they allow catholics to recieve in an Orthodox Church...personal bishops may allow this, but their Churches do not officially allow this...
Since the lifting of the anathema was not according to truth and was not the will of the Holy Spirit the anathema remains in force...as Met. Phiilaret said...

[Joseph]

All the heresies of ecumenism have already been anathamatized by the Councils of the Church - thus it is called the pan-heresy of ecumenism. No further action is needed.

Councils to not make heresy heresy nor do they have the power to withdraw grace. Heresy is heresy even if no council ever convenes and heretics separate themsevlves from the grace of God. Councils only announce what has already happened and confirm it.

The fathers and councils teach us that even if our dogma is correct but we have communion with heresy, we are thereby guilty with the heretics.

The canons of the First and Second Council say that one who publicly preaches heresy is no longer a bishop but a false shepherd. How then can he be commomorated as one who rightly divides the word of truth? How can he ordain if he is not a bishop? How then can it be ok to continue to call him a bishop?

Even is an angel from heaven preach any other gospel, let him be anathama. Ecumenism is another gospel that denies Christ and His Church. What communion has light with darkness? Be ye not unequally yoke together with unbelievers. Ecumenism is unbelief in the doctrine of the Church, Christ and Salvation as confessed by the One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. St. Paul wrote to the local church and said that if anyone does not continue in the tradition to separate and have no communion with them. He did not say wait for a council. A heretic, Holy Scripture says, is to be rejected after the 1st and second admonition - not after 100 years.

The idea of the Orthodox remaining in communion with false doctrines of Rome for many many years is not true. Read the history of this in "The Struggle Against Ecumenism" to see what really happened.

[Priest Siluan]

Ok, I coincide in the point of Nathanael :bump:

[Priest Siluan]

I don't manage English very well, but what Nathanael exposed is completely correct... and good in all its words..it is exact!

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An answer to the complex issues you bring up may be found here:

http://www.synodinresistance.gr/Theo_en ... onOEM1.pdf

Please also note that the holy fire still comes down in Jerusalem every Pascha...and that a number of Saints and holy people such as St. John Maximovitch, Fr. Seraphim Rose, Metropolitan Philaret, St. Justin Popavich, Fr. Philotheus Zervakos and others all viewed the new calendar Churches which had some hierarchs involved in ecumenism as within the Church and were in communion with them...if you say they were wrong and that they were in communion with heretical Churches and that they thereby became communicants with heresy then you would have to say they themselves were not Saints but outside the Church...what a blasphemy that would be...

Please note that according to Orthodox teaching an anathema or excommunication based on past Canons or past anathemas does not come into effect immediately when someone sins or falls into heretical beliefs...but only when a living Council of bishops puts into effect the anathema against certain people...