Nikodem wrote:
I feel nothing but gratitude to the jewish people who were chosen among all people to deliver a Messiah for all mankind - profet Jesaia.
I'm sorry Nikodem, but your actions, as in the posts above, make a mockery of your last statement. This is NOT want Orthodoxy is all about. May God enlighten your soul.
Katya
<<<<<<Teach the LOVE of God and not the hate of satan!>>>>>>>>>
Melk
Whenever I quote ex-raabi Paul Photiou, Israel Shahk, or some other jew who translated talmud...in this case Benjamin Freedman, you say that they are wrong, they didnt translate correct because the text is not about Jesus or christians etc... I sense that If I quote Maimonides you will say the same thing.
Since I dont speak aramaic, I therefore must drop this argument.
Exact science must presently fall upon its own keen sword...from Skepsis there is a path to "second religiousness," which is the sequel and not the preface of the Culture.
Oswald Spengler
Katya
My last posts was about a hatred in a ism, not about people. Correct, I did list jewish communists, because this history is widely misunderstood today, but I did it and in the same time I said that not all jews at this tiume were communists, as some real anti-semites would say. So, there si no incoherence between my last posts and this posts. You are perhaps confused because your political correctness makes you blind to the difference of loving people and hating wrong-doings and bad ideas in relgions and ideologies.
I am glad you know orthodoxy better than me. Congratulation!
Exact science must presently fall upon its own keen sword...from Skepsis there is a path to "second religiousness," which is the sequel and not the preface of the Culture.
Oswald Spengler
Nikodem wrote:Melk
You will be surprised then, because I found these lists of anti-zionist orthodox jewish organisation on the page I recommended:
www. Jewsnotzionists.org
Just because something is on a web site doesn't make it necessarily reliable. Who is putting something out? Why? What are their souces? Do they have an ax to grind?
It is not my list, it is theirs.
But you are citing it. You are using it to support your opinion.
Ebor
Nikodem wrote:Katya
My last posts was about a hatred in a ism, not about people. Correct, I did list jewish communists, because this history is widely misunderstood today,
And if someone were to start making posts like you have with accusations and lists of people who are, say, Russian or Eastern Orthodox or Swedish would that be hatred in that -ism?
And re an earlier post of yours: it is not "orthodox jews" who spit on Christian clerics.... it is individuals who identify themselvs as belonging to Orthodox Judaism. There is no such thing as an amorphous blob called "Jews" or "Men" or "Women" in which all act the same and think the same. There are individual people who are each unique and have free will and act.
If I wrote that 'Orthodox Christians' did some awful thing that would be tarring all with the deeds of a few.
You are perhaps confused because your political correctness makes you blind to the difference of loving people and hating wrong-doings and bad ideas in relgions and ideologies.
Disagreeing with you does not make her "confused" or "blind". Nor is disagreeing with you "political correctness". Rather then looking at "wrong-doings" of others, are not we as Christians supposed to be looking at our own wrong-doings and bad ideas?
Ebor
I truly regret all these posts. It was a mistake that I started this discussion and provocation.
Even a mass-phenomenon that happened in Russia at the revolution must be analyzed in the light of the social situation at that time among the groups that joined the Bolschevik party. It truly exists some difficult facts here, but this is no reason for generalization to a ethinic group. At last there exists only individual persons who are responisble to God.
I am not in a position to judge and beg you pardon if I have.
Exact science must presently fall upon its own keen sword...from Skepsis there is a path to "second religiousness," which is the sequel and not the preface of the Culture.
Oswald Spengler
CHRIST IS RISEN!
Okay, I have just read through all the posts here.
We have examples of Jews, Muslims and Christians who have exhibited hateful actions towards others. And we all say that this is due to the individual's choice within that group. Of course, there are many individuals with the same feelings, so we can see groups forming within the Jews, Muslims and Christians that act with hatred. They DO NOT represent the rest of us in these religions. They are the extreme.
Just like many Christian Orthodox will say, that a certain group acting against the spiritual teachings of our faith is not the reflection the Orthodox teachings, then we can say that this applies to the Jews and Muslims too. Unfortunately, these extremest become the label of our religion. They become more visible and the focus on them creates a bias.
My own personal proof(from a Christian viewpoint) is that if the Jewish and Muslim religions really professed hatred in their spiritual teachings, then all Jews would spit on Christians and all Muslims would try to kill us; it would be their duty.
I work for some kind-hearted Jews and they have never spit on me and I have met many Muslims and they have never tried to kill me.
My question is...what is the driving force behind the hatred of those that act with such hatred? There must be an instigator that has created these groups. Maybe there is a plan to create tensions between us, in order for us to come to distrust each other. I have met some good-hearted jews and muslims, so I wonder who is really behind the hatred. I know, I know...you will say, satan. But, we have to also understand that this world is run by man. There is a group out there that wants to play as puppeteers and make us fight each other. A whisper here, a whisper there and they are causing us to battle each other. And they stand back and laugh. Ohhh yess, satan is definitely involved and he has his servants.
Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me. (Ps. 50)
