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Here has been one post of Isreal Shahak writing (which I have queried another person re the arithmetic assertion, no reply yet) and a post of more assertions of things that are supposed to be widely known but without any citations or links to documentation.

A cursory google re Jacob Schiff and Japan gave a number of white supremacy site links and conspiracy/illuminati links in the first few pages. Not a good sign and hardly examples of "historians". Same thing with searches that added "Trotsky" and "movie". And many of the sites repeat the same writing.

I finally found some reputable references on the first search, and Schiff did assist Japan in their war with Russia. The two countries were both trying to establish power in Manchuria and Korea. It was a struggle for power, as happens often.

http://www.bartleby.com/65/ru/RussoJap.html
http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/romeo/ru ... se1904.htm

No group of human beings is always "innocent and persecuted", neither are they always guilty.

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I have gotten a reply re: school math text books. The writer lives in Israel and has looked in his son's 2nd grade math book from a "local religious (but public) school". He said I may quote him:

"His math book is full of plus signs, i.e. these + (I just had a look)."

He also says:
"While the early 1970's Labor Party (under the late Golda Meir) was more left-wing than it is today, it was, and still is, a secular party (even though it has never been anti-religious).

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Deacon Nikolaj

I was unaware of this fact and I will do as you wrote. My intention was not to create a bad atmosphere and if this happened I am sorry for this. Of course these issues are very constroversial. But since oru orthodox brothers in palestine are persecuted and murdered by a government, shouldnt we, christians in the safe western countries react and question the underlying bias of these things? The fact is that ca 800 000 pepole have been persecuted out of their countires in the biggest ethnic cleansing known after WWII and still it is more controversial to critize them who are responsible for this, than the victims? Political Correctness is the thing that creates the true poison in discussions, because it wants everyone to close their eyes to hard truths and difficult facts.

But of course I respect the culture you want to create on this forum and I am thankfull for being able to write and read here. Thank YOU. Christos Voskresse!

Exact science must presently fall upon its own keen sword...from Skepsis there is a path to "second religiousness," which is the sequel and not the preface of the Culture.

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Ebor

As you know I deeply respect Dr Israel Shahak for his writings about the Jewish Religion and Israel. He himself lived in Israel and dedicated his life to expose the dangers in jewsh racism. Ironically I have seen when I read some of his articles on the net that he himself often are quoted by neo nazis, even though he himself is a jew and concentration camp survivor! About the plus sign, it is his own article I quoted. I trust him as a reliable source in these things. I cannot comment on you friend in Israel, but noted that he did not comment the other things in Shahaks article, for example "the spitting on the crosses thing".

I am glad that you find a reliable source about Jacob Schiffs sponsoring of Japan in the Russian-Japaneese war. If right extremists use this fact for their own wicked propaganda is their business. I just point to the facts. The conclusion is always the same: Love your enemies.

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Nikodem wrote:

Ebor
As you know I deeply respect Dr Israel Shahak for his writings about the Jewish Religion and Israel.

I know it now that you have stated it. I try to not make assumptions about what other people think. Thank you for clarifying.

I cannot comment on you friend in Israel, but noted that he did not comment the other things in Shahaks article, for example "the spitting on the crosses thing".

You are assuming that I sent the whole passage to him for comment. I did not do so as to not crowd his message space. I only asked him about the "plus sign" passage and provided a quote. I did not want to presume to send him the whole article uninvited. He is a member of OC.net and has written thoughtful postings and is an Orthodox Jew living in Israel. He is a trustworthy person to ask about a question of what is or is not in school text books, I believe.

I am glad that you find a reliable source about Jacob Schiffs sponsoring of Japan in the Russian-Japaneese war. If right extremists use this fact for their own wicked propaganda is their business. I just point to the facts. The conclusion is always the same: Love your enemies.

I'm sorry, but it seemed as though you mentioned him as part of some Vast Conspiracy Against Russia because of his actions. If this is not why you wrote about him, would you please explain why?

In the late 1800's and early 1900's Japan and the Emperor Meiji were looking for trade and other interactions with Europe and the US. And these countries were very interested in things Japanese since the country had been closed to all outside influences, (save for a rigidly controlled tiny potion from the Dutch) for over 200 years. It was not "Anti-Russian" per se, but Pro-Japan.

The war was a struggle for control and power by those two countries, not some "Jewish Plot".

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Before I became a Christian, I grew up as a religious Jew and was Ordained as an Orthodox Rabbi. So I feel a deep need to reply to this. It is true that + signs are not in common use in Israel as they resemble a cross. Even today on El Al planes the Volume and Channel controls are a "-" and an inverted "T". For that matter even many Synagogues, especially the more ancient ones, are careful in laying out there floor tile so as not to inadvertantly create the sign of a Cross. This has nothing to do with hatred of Christians, in fact many Orthodox(aka religious) Jews, especially those from Traditionally Greek or Middle Eastern families will tell you that Jews got along fine with Christians in Israel until the Catholics came in the Crusades.

Please understand that for a Jew, especially one from Western Europe, the Cross is a very offensive symbol. It has been the symbol of persecution and death. Historical fact states that the Roman Papacy ruled that it was just as noble to kill the Jew in you own country as it was to kill the Muslim in the Holy Land. The Nazi's used the cross and around it the word's "You killed our God now we kill You." Also the Russians were none too kind to the Jews, but as far as Orthodoxy they were the only ones that did not treat the Jews will Christian Charity.

Go to the walk of the "Righteous of the Nations" in Israel and count the number of Orthodox Bishops and Metropolitans that worked so hard during WWII to save Jews, most especially in Bulgaria where the Church there managed to save all of their Jews from the Nazi death camps. On account of people like this, and on account of the fact that the Great Rabbis of the past forbade it, Jews do not disrespect Christian Churches or Holy Symbols. The only thing that could be considered as such would be in the western european communities Jews were not supposed to walk on the same side of the street as a Priest or a Church, but this was for fear of abduction(a common practice in the Catholic West).

However in the Eastern European and Middle Eastern communities there were no such customs. The charity of the Christian witness has been well known there. In fact one excellent example and the reason that I myself became a Christian was because of the Holy and Honorable Metropolitans Cyril(later Patriarch of the Bulgarian Church) and Stefen of Sofia in Bulgaria who helped to save the Jews, and thus lead the Chief Rabbi of Bulgaria Daniel Zion to a knowledge of Christ. Daniel Zion later moved to Israel, where he was a part of the Chief Rabbinate of Israel and one of the Religious Judges(this is how I met him in my younger years at which point he gave copies of his writings which I have pondered over ever since). He never formally converted to Christianity he remained a religious Jew, yet he believed most fervently in Jesus and even taught the New Testament in his Synagogue to the day of his death. I state this to show what, when hatred is put away and loving understanding given, the Christian witness can do.

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Ahhh...the power of God's Love.....if only we would aall vail ourselves more often!

Thank you Melk....I found your story inspirational and proof that Christ's does love conquers all.

Thank you again!

Milla

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