Jewish hatred of christianity

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A well informed person knows that it was the jews that the Holy Fathers of the Church during the first centuries pointed out as the real enemy of the Christian Church. After the french revolution and the jewish emanicipation the jews were mainly split to three groups, the radicals who joined the anarchist ans socialist parties in Europe, the Zionists and the religious jews.

It is a known historical fact that the bolshevik party in Russia consisted av nearly 90% jews and that later jews had the leading positions in the state after the revolution. The american jew Jacob Schiff who also owned the first cinema-production companies in USA financed Japan during the Japan Russian war. Leonid Bernstein, later Trotsky were througn out of Russia because of his revulostionary activities. He met Schiff in USA and even played a scene in one movie. In Trotsky Schiff saw the full-blooded revolutuinary. What everyone historian knows who have studied these things is that it was Jacob Schiff who financed the bolsscheveeks in Russia. In Sweden the money went throught the jewish bankir Aschberg who also invitet Lenin to Stockholm and buyed him a new coat! After the revolutuion the bolscheviks started to send stolen icons and relics as payment to Ascberg. Later he donated many of these icons to the national museum in Sweden, were everyone can see them. What then began is widely known as the communist progom of orthodox russians in USSR.

Why dont you mention this progom when you speak about the jews? Why are they always the innocent and persecuted ones, and all other people who they hate and murder palestinian-terrorists ort russian antisemites?

Exact science must presently fall upon its own keen sword...from Skepsis there is a path to "second religiousness," which is the sequel and not the preface of the Culture.

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This conversation is headed for the same road that the last conversation on this topic took ......a dead end and lots of meaningless rhetoric, more hatred and prejudice.....so I think I will call an end to MY participation in this conversation.

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Sigh, I suspect that you are right, Ekaterina.

I suppose that the only reason for attempting to counter such rhetoric against other human beings was to hope that someone lurking would see that such poison is not universally held.

As to the first bit that was posted both here and by OOD, about the arithmetic, I think I'll query someone who actually is in Isreal about that. It just sounds a bit odd.

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Ekaterina

I respect your position, but certainly dont agree with you that discussing these things is morally wrong. If you replace jew in this article (which was written by a jew) with the word "muslim", then it would perhps not have offended you the way it did. My point is that while all european countries knows that terrorism in USA is caused mainly by US government founding os Israeli weapons to massacre palestinians (and Usama and Co hate USA for this reason, not for any other reason - they ´dont hate the freedom in America), the political correctness say: If you criticise any jew, you indirectly cause Auschwitz, or agree with it, and is called anti-semite. But any person can see through this RHETORIC if they contemplate that the facts that one terrible thing happened to the jews 50 years ago today is an argument to keep your eyes blind to another massacre, the massacre of the palestinains.

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I have not seen any argument that presents a counter-fact, or something like that. EMpty rhetoric comes from them that dont argue from facts, but solely from opinions.

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Nikodem:

You are wrong....I would have given you the same arguement regardless of what appellation you would have choosen to use as a substitute for jew. HATRED is wrong, PREJUDICE is wrong, spreading hatred is Wrong! and certainly NOT in keeping with the teachings of Christ.

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Ekaterina

What argument? I dont see one

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Post by 尼古拉前执事 »

It is true that in the beginning of the Church the religious Jews were an enemy of the Church, persecuting them along with the pagan Romans.

Today it is the secular Jews, Christians and others that are enemies of the Church and the religious Muslims.

It is also true that the Holy Land under the Palestinians before the creation of Israel by the U.N. was good, but times have changed.

Unfortunately the Church has enemies in many corners, but the Christian thing to do under such persecussions is to still love them that hate you and pray for them.

Nikodem, I know you are new, but in the past we have had people who over did their anti-Zionist posts and it really hurt the environment here. If you will search for it, there is on thread in the Misc or Praxis section that is where my co-administratio, OrthodoxyOrDeath has requested all posts about Jewish issues go. If you would please post any further posts about Judaism and Zionism there, I would greatly appreciate it.

Thank you in advance for your cooperation with this rule!

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