THE SUNDAY OF THE TRIUMPH OF ORTHODOXY

[尼古拉前执事]

The popes church is an invention from around 1054 AD

Among the Christian churches, only the Orthodox Church has existed since the time of Jesus.
Every other Christian church is an offshoot of the Orthodox Church.
(Most of today's Protestant churches are actually offshoots of the original Protestant offshoots.)

If you are a Lutheran - Martin Luther ex-monk of the Roman Catholic Church founded your religion, in 1517.

If you are Anabaptists - Nicholas Storch, a weaver (d. 1525) and Thomas Menzer, a Lutheran preacher (c. 1490-1525), together with the other self-styled "Prophets of Zwickau" started your sect in Saxony, Germany in 1521.

If you belong to the Church of England - King Henry VIII founded your religion in the year 1534 because the Pope of Rome would not grant him a divorce with the right to re-marry.

If you are Presbyterian - John Knox who studied under Luther started your church in Scotland, in the year 1560.

If you are a Congregationalist - your religion was originated by Robert Brown in Holland in 1582.

If you are a Protestant Episcopalian - your religion was an offshoot of the Church of England, founded by Samuel Seabury in the American colonies in the 17th century.

If you are a Mennonites - The Mennonites are named after Menno Simons Founded in the 16th century. Amish began as a split-off sect of the Swiss Mennonites during the late 17th century your founder is Jacob Amman.

If you are a Baptist - you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, launched in Amsterdam in 1606.

If you are the Dutch Reformed Church - you recognize Michaelis Jones as founder, because he originated your religion in N.Y. in 1628.

If you are a Methodist - your religion was launched by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1744.

If you are Unitarian - Theophilus Lindley founded your church in London in 1774.

If you are Mormon (Latter Day Saints) - Joseph Smith started your religion in Palmyra, N.Y. in 1829.

If you are Church of Christ - The New Light Christian Church, led by former Presbyterian minister Barron Warren Stone; and the Reformed Baptist, led by Alexander (who also established the Disciples of Christ), also a former Presbyterian. Combined their churches into one in 1836 and called it Church of Christ

If you are Seventh Day Adventist - Ellen G. White founded your religion 1844, though she was a follower of one William Miller of New York, who propounded much of what Mrs. White later adopted for her religion.

If you worship with the Salvation Army - your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865.

If you are Christian Scientist - Mrs. Mary Baker Eddy founded your religion in 1879.

If you are Jehovah's Witness - T. Russell (1852- 1916) founded your movement. As a teenager he rejected his Presbyterian roots, joined a more liberal Congregational Church, then left this group as well. He denied the deity of Christ and the biblical teachings on hell and eternal punishment. Russell had no formal Bible training.

If you are Aglipayan - your church is founded by Gregorio Aglipay a priest, he was excommunicated in 1902 and took his followers from the Roman Catholic Church to found the Philippines Independent Church commonly known as Aglipayan..

If you are an Iglesia ni Christo - Felix Manalo instituted your sect in the Philippines in 1914. He denied the deity of Christ.

If you belong to one of the religious organizations known as 'Church of the Nazarene," "Pentecostal Gospel." "Holiness Church," "Pilgrim Holiness Church," your religion is one of thousands of new sects founded by men within the past century.

If your Non Denominational - your movement became popular in the 1990's to dis-associate yourself to any denomination, but in reality you are another denomination since your an off - off shoot of Protestant Denomination. You accepted this belief "I am my own authority" no church to follow. Jesus promised he would not leave us orphans John 14:18

If you are Born Again Christian - your movement popularized in 1970's. To change the Early Christian tradition of "Baptism" that all Christians are "Born Again" since Christians were Baptized in water & spirit John 3:5

If you are a Messianic Jew - your movement was founded in the summer of 1979. Daniel Juster was the first president, but several Jews declaring faith in Jesus as the Messiah were involved in bringing the alliance into existence.

If you are Roman Catholic- due to authority issues the pope of Rome's church broke away from unity with the rest of the Orthodox Church in the year 1054.

If you are a Eastern Orthodox, you know that Jesus Christ the Son of God Acts 2, I Tim. 3:15 founded your religion in the year 33 and that it has not changed since that time. Even today, the above-enumerated facts are still undeniable.

[CHRISTIAN 1]

QUOTE: This is not part of the ten commandments; so if the law also includes something outside the strict and very limited confines of the ten commandments, should I expect that you also follow Jewish dietary restrictions? (I don't mean that in a confrontational way, I'm just curious which part of the old law you follow and which parts you don't, and by what authority you have made these decisions).

I don't follow any of the "old law" (Moses' law) which were ceremonies and practices that were nailed to the cross. It makes sense that these ordinances were nailed to the cross, as they pointed to when Christ would die for our sins. After Christ died, they were no longer of use, as Jesus became our sacrifice. Moses' law contained circumcision ordinances. Here is Pauls comparison of Gods law and Moses' law-1 cor. 7:19- Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters. The ten commandments were never nailed to the cross. The bible does clearly contain a fourth commandment, in which God askes us to REMEMBER the saturday sabbath. The saturday sabbath is most definately included in the ten. God had to say remember because he new that men would impose their traditions in place of his LAW. Most christians followed the saturday sabbath as late as 450 a.d. As I have written before, I think this verse pretty much sums up the fact that the ten commandments are not old law and that they were meant to be followed forever. Matt 5:18- For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass(forever), one jot or one title shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. God is perfect He does not make mistakes. He doesn't have to make changes to His law. That is why saturday worship was followed by Adam and Eve, throughout biblical history, and God says we will worship on the sabbath in heaven. If God had ever planned to change something so important as the fourth commandment, he would have told us and made it clear. He would have no doubt told the disciples before His death that sunday worship was to be instituted. 1 John 2:3-4-And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He that saith I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

[Ebor]

If you are a Lutheran ....
If you are Anabaptists -....

This little bit of writing may be found in somewhat varying form in many places on the Net. Most of them support that it is the RC Church that is the Real one. Examples are:

http://www.katoliko.com/churches.htm
http://www.youth2000ny.com/your_church.htm

and one includes a dismissal of most of Roman Catholicism, not because they are EO, but because they are an RC off-shoot:

http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/ ... hurch.html

There's also an extended version attributed to Ann Landers the advice columnist.

Eventually it starts showing up with EO replacing RC as the "only" Church, for example here:
http://www.hellenicnews.com/readnews.ht ... 93&lang=US

The wording varies slightly, and sometimes plays a litle fast and loose the wording with "your church/religion/faith/sect..." since these words are not synonymous.

For example the parts about the Church of England and the Episcopal Church in the US would seem (depending on which variation one is reading) to say that the two are seperate religions, which is not the case. When the Anglicans in America formed the Episcopal Church the differences were in fealty to the English throne, not in any matters of Christian belief. They are part of the Anglican Communion.

Oh and Samuel Seabury did not "found" the Episcopal Church, he was the first American consecrated as a Bishop.
http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bio/282.html

So this piece of writing is used by one group or another to attempt to show their claim to being the only real Christian church. Frankly, though I have not yet been able to track it down to an earliest example, I suspect that it was originally an RC work that has been changed and used by others to their own purposes.

Even today, the above-enumerated facts are still undeniable.

Facts? or Polemic?

Ebor

[OrthodoxyOrDeath]

Christian1,

Well I certainly agree with you, that the Mosaic law was nailed to the Holy Cross, we are no longer servants of Christ, but Sons. The key to all Christ's teaching on the Sabbath lies in His conception of it, which is in stark contrast to the pharisaic idea of the Sabbath. In words uttered by Jesus on the occasion when He was defending His disciples. "The Sabbath," said He, "was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." In other words, His doctrine was this: The Sabbath was meant to be a benefit to man, not a burden; it was not a day taken from man by God, but a day given by God in mercy to man.

The bible does clearly contain a fourth commandment, in which God askes us to REMEMBER the saturday sabbath.

Yes, I agree that it does say this, and what I have repeated now several times is that we do in fact remember the Sabbath, which begins at sunset on Friday and ends at sunset on the Sabbath. Like I said, we have not replaced it or moved it, and we have canons about remembering it.

I think you have this idea that we are like the popes church somehow -- we are nothing like the popes church, with all its medieval trappings. The pope is one of the biggest fornicators of the truth there is.

[OrthodoxyOrDeath]

Quote:
Acts 20:7.

And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

In Greek this verse reads "and upon the first of the sabbaths". Being the weekly sabbath Paul gave the sermon.

I just noticed this post by you, and you are very very wrong about this verse; I got out my KJV with parrallel Greek text and can see you translated it literally, which doesn't even make sense in this form. And as I'm sure you will agree, literal translations from the Greek most often don't make any sense in English.

The word "sabbath" is often used to mean a week (7 days). And this is how so-called bible scholars have been translating it into English since English became a language. Therefore, the verse reads as Fr. Nicholas says.

[CHRISTIAN 1]

QUOTE: The word "sabbath" is often used to mean a week (7 days). And this is how so-called bible scholars have been translating it into English since English became a language. Therefore, the verse reads as Fr. Nicholas says.

However you choose to interpret this verse, it still doesn't mean that the saturday sabbath was changed to sunday. There is no scriptural evidence on this change in the bible. I have in fact found much evidence to the contrary. I am not basing my statements on a single set of religious beliefs, but rather on what I have found studying the bible in an attemp to seek biblical truth. We can pick apart isolated verses to support whatever we believe. People even use individual verses in an attempt to justify smoking marijuana. That is why it is importent to make sure a single verse supports the rest of what the bible is teaching us. God is perfect and unchanging, as is His law. I feel it is fine to worship on sunday or any day of the week, as long as we rest and honor the saturday sabbath above and beyond every other day, as this is the day sanctified by our Lord.

[OrthodoxyOrDeath]

Christian1,

However you choose to interpret this verse, it still doesn't mean that the saturday sabbath was changed to sunday.

I am begining to feel like I am beating my head against the wall - please, one more time, we have not done this, we recognize the Sabbath.

...as long as we rest and honor the saturday sabbath above and beyond every other day...

The commandment does not say this, this must be something you have invented.