Antiochian Reflection on Fasting

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Sabbas wrote:

...that just wouldn't be there if I had made up my own rules.

And that is what people lack today. They try to conform God to their ways, instead of changing their ways to conform to God's plan.

Rather in trying to be humble and follow the Church is where the benefit was derived.

That is a very concise observation. The holy fathers(by the guidance of the Holy Spirit) established the rules of fasting. And the personal acceptance of following it, with humilty, is the start of a spiritual fast. This starts with food, but the holy fathers teach about personal conduct too.

But, don't get me wrong. I'm not talking about following the hierarchs that are leading us to ecumenism. I'm talking about the true Orthodox hierarchs, who should be the example, for us all.

There are many "Orthodox" hierarchs who believe that fasting is a choice of will. But, they don't establish it as a rule of conduct. Would a coach tell his athlete that he can eat french fries and pizza everyday? NO! He would tell him that it will cause damage to his performance.

So why is it so difficult for the hierarchs to tell their laity that fasting is a necessary function in the faith to God? It's a spiritual function, which is certainly more important to the outcome of our lives than the physical. But, an atheist athlete will consider his fasting more important than a so-called Orthodox person who feels like he's being pressured into fasting.

I hope I am not nor have been judgmental but let us look at what happened when the Roman Patriarchate apostasized. The Fasting rules quickly changed and made no sense like chickens being declared aquatic animals so that people could eat them during Lent!

How did they explain that?

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I hope I am not nor have been judgmental but let us look at what happened when the Roman Patriarchate apostasized. The Fasting rules quickly changed and made no sense like chickens being declared aquatic animals so that people could eat them during Lent!

Cite? I've never heard this before. Chickens?

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I actually read this in a book called Life on a Medieval Barony by William Stearns Davis. I do not know if the Roman Catholic church maintained this breach of the traditional fasting rules however my father told me that as a kid before Vatican II chicken sandwiches were served, I think at his parochial school, though I may be wrong about that, on Fridays. I have not been able to find out more on this yet. However still you have to admit that since the Great Schism the Fasting Rules have been slowly altered to the point that by Vatican II many could not understand what purpose they served. I think if Vatican II was really interested in going back to Early Church practices, which is what is commonly claimed in Catholic High School Church History textbooks, they should have taken a glance at the Didache and restored the early Fasting Rules. But I guess it does not matter now. I really feel sorry for Catholics. It seems like so much work for hundreds of years came to nothing. I mean when I look at what my dad went through as a kid and compare it to the lackadaisical pointless routines Roman Catholic kids go through now I just cringe as I wonder if that is what our AA bishops are working for. Imagine it: kids never go to Confession, coming to church in miny skirts and shorts, going to Communion no matter what . . . oh wait that is already happening. Once again I hope I am not being judgmental but I think I am so I should probably stop now and pray for a cooler head.

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While reading the life of St. Photius this weekend, I noted that one of the many objections that St. Photius raised against Rome was that they ignored the 64th Apostolic Canon which forbids fasting on all Saturdays and Sundays, except for Great and Holy Saturday. Rome was guilty of requiring fasting, at least on Saturdays.

Can anyone enlighten me on how/why we came to ignore this caonon which St. Photius says was ratified by an Ecumenical Council?

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Joasia,

We do not ignore this canon. Every day you fast it is a strict fast, meaning no oil too. But when a feastday happens when it would otherwise be a fast day, you are allowed oil. And anybody with experience knows, oil is sure a feast over the stricter version. Now, have you ever been required to fast from oil on a Sunday?

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I don't understand how you can say we don't ignore this canon. The canon forbids fasting on all Saturdays and Sundays except for Great and Holy Saturday. When we obstain from meat and dairy on Saturdays and Sundays, how is it that we are not ignoring this canon?

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