AN ORTHODOX VIEW OF HARRY POTTER

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Miriam wrote:

Hey guys......

Haven't we also been warned about self-righteousness, zealotry, pride, judging others, speech, spouting without thought or care and etc, etc, etc, yet we are blind to those things also. The posts that have been made lately just shows how much, the evil one is laughing at us. Delighting in the conflict and discord he is able to sow. For the sake of our souls...... enough already!

Go and see to your own souls and stop the nastiness that is prevailing here and elsewhere on this forum.....

Miriam

I'm agreeing with Miriam. Any benefit that could have been gotten from this debate has faded long ago.

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Just some more food for thought on how Harry Potter effects many children. Kind of interesting because it quotes J.K. Rowling and Andy Norfolk (the media officer for the Pagan Federation) Anyway, here is is:

Might Harry Potter seem as real as life to his young fans around the world? Do children accept Harry's lessons in practical witchcraft as an open door to an occult reality? Many Christian leaders have denied any such danger, but author J.K. Rowling admits that this happens. In an interview with Newsweek's Malcolm Jones, she said:

"I get letters from children addressed to Professor Dumbledore [headmaster at Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry, the books’ setting], and it’s not a joke, begging to be let into Hogwarts, and some of them are really sad. Because they want it to be true so badly they’ve convinced themselves it’s true." (The Return of Harry Potter)

While children everywhere crave supernatural thrills, Great Britain, the birthplace of Harry Potter, has been a wonderland of options for exploring practical witchcraft. And plenty of youth have caught Harry's vision. They want to learn his wizardly ways.

Two British reports on this phenomenon show us the obvious: popular forms of occult entertainment "have fueled a rapidly growing interest in witchcraft among children." Naturally, the island's Pagan Federation is pleased. Though it refuses to admit new members under age 18, "it deals with an average of 100 inquiries a month from youngsters who want to become witches, and claims it has occasionally been 'swamped' with calls."

"It is quite probably linked to things like Harry Potter, Sabrina The Teenage Witch and Buffy The Vampire Slayer," explains the Federation's media officer, Andy Norfolk. "Every time an article on witchcraft or paganism appears, we had a huge surge in calls, mostly from young girls."

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Ephraem wrote:

I find it interesting that folks here give the Evil One so little credit. Is the Devil an uncrafty dullard who cannot act without giving off copious sulfuric vapors? Far from it! He works under many layers of subtlety, very often beyond the capacity of our immediate awareness. One of the hallmarks of evil is the mixing of truth and falsehood; all it takes is one little lie slipping by undetected to result in the incredible twisting of what should be as straight as an arrow.

As for the imagination, it is of course a great gift. But every gift can be misused (and usually is), to our own detriment. I've been wondering if it is not spiritually unhealthy to use the imagination to picture in the mind things that are not real--that is, things that do not occur according to the law of nature. Should the mind only dwell on what is real? Does God want us to think and have fantasies of things that are not? Does the Devil thereby seduce us into fruitless dalliances, harmless entertainments, and other so-called benign distractions to keep us far from the narrow way?

Does the Lord bless your reading?

Interesting post, Ephrem

I've been thinking over this whole idea of fantasy. And Metropolitan Hierotheos mentions that the devil uses fantasy and imagination to tempt us.

He further mentions that we are not to use our imagination when in prayer.

I got the impression that our imaginations can be used as tools of the devil and that we are to be careful of logismi (spelling?) and try to focus on God in our lives.

Perhaps it is best to start a new thread here about fantasy and the imagination - so I will do so.

In conclusion, my spiritual father discourages me from reading any fictional works (except for Chronicles of Narnia, the Space Trilogy, the Hobbit, etc) because of the trash that is being published today.

When I read Bud MacFarlane's books (such as his CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN), my priest had to pray the prayers of exorcism due to the explicit diabolical imagery present, including the graphically detailed scene of a priest being executed. So I stay away from works of fiction unless my priest recommends them and he hasn't recommended the HP books.

Hope this helps.
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One of things that is most striking about this is that you in particular, Joasia, fall into "Weekly World News Orthodoxy". You've said things along the way which were every bit as credulous as the beliefs of modern occultists. I don't need you as an authority on the content of the books, because I've read them, and frankly, I have more confidence in my reading. I don't need you as an authority on the occult because (alas) I know too many of these people, and I keep certain of the standard works in my reference books. It all leads to the same conclusion: I don't think you can tell the difference.

CGW,

Joasia is entitled to his opinion so you should address this opinion and not Joasia. I don't think Joasia said you needed him as an authority.

Because you are not Orthodox CGW, you should understand that you don't come from the same background of teaching on what is and is not demonic. The Holy Fathers, whom I know you don't recognize as an authority, do in fact say a thing or two about things such as this.

Anyway, please, lets get back on the thread topic, which is Harry Potter.

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CGW,

The post IS titled, an ORTHODOX view of Harry Potter.

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God reveals Himself to the humble, who live in accordance with virtue. Those who take up the wings of the imagination attempt the flight of Ikaros and have same end. Those who harbor fantasies do not pray; for he that prays lifts his mind and heart towards God, whereas he that turns to fantasies diverts himself. Those who are addicted to the imagination have withdrawn from God's grace and from the realm of Divine revelation. They have abandoned the heart in which grace is revealed and have surrendered themselves to the imagination, which is devoid of all grace. It is only the heart that receives knowledge about things that are not apprehended by the senses, because God, Who dwells and moves within it, speaks within it and reveals to it the substance of things hoped for. "Modern Orthodox Saints, St. Nectarios of Aegina", Dr. Constantine Cavarnos, Institute for Byzantine and Modern Greek Studies, Belmont, Massachusetts., 1981., pp. 154-187

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Thanks for that quote from St. Nectarios.

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