Part 1 Chapter 1: Entry to the Way of the Cross

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Reader Benjamin wrote:

This book is about taking up our cross and following Christ. The prosperity of the world could be a cross to bear for some, but it is not the focus of the book to say riches or poverty is good. The book is about bearing our own sufferings, WHAT EVER THEY MAY BE, patiantly as our cross that we bear in order to follow Christ Jesus our Lord.

Indeed. I think this is what I wanted to get at, but, as usual, failed. As for the seemingly contradictory way we can quote the OT for both "riches" and "poverty", are we not taught to look at the OT in light of the Gospel? I think many people forget that when they toss out OT quotes to justify all sorts of actions, good and bad. Christ is the light by which we need to read the Scriptures.

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Schultz wrote:

As for the seemingly contradictory way we can quote the OT for both "riches" and "poverty", are we not taught to look at the OT in light of the Gospel?

Okay. But what exactly does that MEAN? "in the light of the Gospel"

I have always been confused how one book can give the message "Follow my commandments and you will be blessed in this world" and the other "Expect nothing but tribulation and sorrow in this world because your reward is in heaven"

Seems a huge contradiction.

I mean, lordy, the book of Job is all about how God hugely blessed him with riches because Job loved God, and then doubly blessed him with even MORE riches after Job passed his tests. Not to mention King David and the others.

Anyways, I don't expect this to be debated here because it will distract from the book - but this is just something that I simply don't get.

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Anyways, I don't expect this to be debated here because it will distract from the book - but this is just something that I simply don't get.

Agreed. Perhaps one of our esteemed clergy here can answer, as it will undoubtedly be a far better one than I could ever give. :)

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I will make an attemt to answer the question about blessings now or later.

What are we seeking? Is it God, Godlyness, rightousness, or the blessings NOW. In the Old Testement God used Isreal to show us the spiritual life, as seen by the writings of the Holy Fathers. Therefore to show the blessings to come in the Old Testement it was nessisary to bestow great blessings to those that are recorded in the Holy Scriptures. However, these blessings were not given to everyone. How about the poor widow that housed Elija during the famin? And the widows mite at the time of Jesus. The fishermen that became Jesus disiples. No there are the worldly blessings given now but there are many more later. We do not look for just sorrow and heartace now, we recieve blessings. But they are for our edification, the blessing for a shadow of things to come. In the history of the Church Kingdoms were blessed when they folowed Christ, then fell when they did not. If you want the blessings of the world, what is left for eternity? Seek God first, then wether you recieve the blessings of the world or not, it will not matter because you have God.

The teachings have "changed" to help us attain God, though they have not changed. When we teach our 5 year old we teach him one way, when he is 15, we teach him another way. Our teaching does not change, our method does. We are taught from the Old Testement in one way, with the fullness of Christ we are taght another way. The teachings have not changed, just the method.

I hope this has been of some help. These are what I have learned since I had become Orthodox, and I have much more to learn. And not only to learn, but to apply. Here it is not enough that you know what to do, but it is even more important to do what you know, as best as we can. Baby steps.

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Good explanation. Thanks!

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Very good reader Benjamin!

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