Aww, come on Justin...you haven't done anything wrong. But if it'll make you feel better, how does it go? "God forgives and I forgive"? I didn't know that laymen weren't really supposed to get caught up in the canons! I guess it's a good thing that I usually just read mention of them online, and then, like you said, I talk to my Spiritual Father about it. Oh, and if fornication isn't masturbation, then what is it? Premarital intercourse? Because, if you were married it would be adultery, right? Anyway, I guess it doesn't matter. I just wanted to get some answers about St. George 
Keep up the good work.
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Justin wrote:Aww, come on Justin...you haven't done anything wrong. But if it'll make you feel better, how does it go? "God forgives and I forgive"? I didn't know that laymen weren't really supposed to get caught up in the canons! I guess it's a good thing that I usually just read mention of them online, and then, like you said, I talk to my Spiritual Father about it. Oh, and if fornication isn't masturbation, then what is it? Premarital intercourse? Because, if you were married it would be adultery, right? Anyway, I guess it doesn't matter. I just wanted to get some answers about St. George
Remember that Saint George and most of the Soldier Saints that were martyrs had the sin of murder (or killing) forgiven by Martyrdom. Martyrdom is considered another baptism. So considering Saint George killing, that sin was forgiven through Martyrdom.
romiosini wrote:Remember that Saint George and most of the Soldier Saints that were martyrs had the sin of murder (or killing) forgiven by Martyrdom. Martyrdom is considered another baptism. So considering Saint George killing, that sin was forgiven through Martyrdom.
The Church always seems to come up with a catch when it wants too.
Look at "saint" Constantine. What a joke.
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TomS wrote:romiosini wrote:Remember that Saint George and most of the Soldier Saints that were martyrs had the sin of murder (or killing) forgiven by Martyrdom. Martyrdom is considered another baptism. So considering Saint George killing, that sin was forgiven through Martyrdom.
The Church always seems to come up with a catch when it wants too.
Look at "saint" Constantine. What a joke.
What about Saint Constantine? He was baptized at his deathbed! It prooves that he repented for his mistakes. If he really did just wanted to stay with his old way of living (pagan) he wouldn't ask to be baptized and recieve the Holy Gifts. He did so much as Emperor. He even refused his ancestral alleged Emperial divinity. The Ceasar was considered part of the gods Pagans believed, a divine earthly god. If Ceasar Constantine really wasn't a Saint, he wouldn't accept his mother and torture her too. As Diocletian did to his wife, Saint Alexandra (who was Christian and supported Saint George and was put in prison with him). Saint Constantine's relics remained incorrupt and were placed in the Church of the Holy Apostles in Constantinople which are today. Anyways, this isn't the issue here. The Church doesn't need a catch, God shows us what is fake and real.
Regarding Justin, according to the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary, fornication is as it is said in the bottom.
Main Entry: for·ni·ca·tion
Pronunciation: "for-n&-'kA-sh&n
Function: noun
: consensual sexual intercourse between two persons not married to each other -- compare ADULTERY
Justin Kissel is almost right, that fornication is whoredom and not adultery (in marriage).
Justin Kissel wrote:This thread totally vindicates the idea that laymen (and especially neophyte laymen) are not supposed to read the canons. What a mess.
While browsing through the St. Herman's Seminary curriculum I observed that Canon Law is reserved for fourth year students. It makes good sense to me.
Justin Kissel wrote:God forgive me... it was speaking of masturbation and not fornication...
In my experience I would say in a very important sense that masterbation (aside from the Onanist aspect) is fornication or whoredom or intercourse between unmarried individuals (or even adultry), as the sin is actualized in our hearts. And regarding pornography, I think upon Tertullian's words, "is it right to look upon what it is disgraceful to do?" We are defiled by seeing in as much as we are defiled by doing.
No duh.
*Tertullian, De Spectaculis, chap. XVII
Ephraem
~He who seeth his own sins, seeth not the sins of others.
