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Nektarios Kedziora

Perhaps this forum description is over the top?

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The description for this forum reads:

Discussions of New Calendarists, Ecumenists or the so-called "World Orthodox" jurisdictions that have sought communion with or have succumbed to the heresies of Ecumenism, Iconoclasm, Modernism, Monophysitism, Nestorianism or Sergianism

Question 1 - I really don't know of any members of World Orthodoxy that profess Monophysism. The issue is ecumenism with Monophysites that says the Orthodox can be in communion with them without sharing the same faith. Thus ecumensm is all that needed to said without being redundant.

Question 2 - How can one be both a Monophysite and a Nestorian?

Question 3 - substitute the word Nestorian for Monophysite in the first question.

Question 3 - Iconoclasm? On what grounds is this claim being levelled?

Observation 1 - The concepts behind Sergianism (placing more emphasis on the external part of the church than the spiritual) have reared their heads many times throughout the history of Orthodoxy. In some sense the Greeks dealt with it and defeated it in Saint Gregory Palamas and the idea was very present in members of the Russian hierarchy during the time of Saint Paisius Velichkovsky.

Observation 2 - It is far too premature to even make a judgement on "sergianism" at this point anyway. Let us all pray for the bearing of fruit of the dialouge between the ROCOR and the MP in this matter. Perhaps the strong witness of the ROCOR can bring about the repentence of the MP.

Observation 3 - While the bad news seems to get the most attention I'd like to point out that today the vast majority of "World Orthdox" will be celebrating the Lord's Nativity in the flesh according to the Church calendar. The holy mountain is experiencing a rival and monasteries are growing with monastics that reject both modernism and ecumenism. The New Calendar State Church of Greece has produced many holy elders and gifted theologians such as Metropolitan Hierotheos Vlachos.

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Christ is born! Give glory!
I agree that this forum description is a bit...lets say....'innacurate', but since I belong to a Church which some would call "World Orthodox" ('Cyprianite'), I don't mind this forum description of me at all, and I consider it a blessing, because Our Lord said:
"Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in Heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.."
Nor do I bear the moderators of the forum who decided on this description any ill will. Those who flatter us are not our friends, but rather, our true friends are those who challenge or even speak falsely or erroneously against us- because this helps us to win Heaven, whereas flattery leads to perdition.

"As long as it depends on Monothelitism, then Miaphysitism is nothing but a variant of Monophysitism."

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Re: Perhaps this forum description is over the top?

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Nektarios Kedziora wrote:

The description for this forum reads:

Discussions of New Calendarists, Ecumenists or the so-called "World Orthodox" jurisdictions that have sought communion with or have succumbed to the heresies of Ecumenism, Iconoclasm, Modernism, Monophysitism, Nestorianism or Sergianism

Observation 2 - It is far too premature to even make a judgement on "sergianism" at this point anyway. Let us all pray for the bearing of fruit of the dialouge between the ROCOR and the MP in this matter. Perhaps the strong witness of the ROCOR can bring about the repentence of the MP.

Observation 3 - While the bad news seems to get the most attention I'd like to point out that today the vast majority of "World Orthdox" will be celebrating the Lord's Nativity in the flesh according to the Church calendar. The holy mountain is experiencing a rival and monasteries are growing with monastics that reject both modernism and ecumenism. The New Calendar State Church of Greece has produced many holy elders and gifted theologians such as Metropolitan Hierotheos Vlachos.

Nectarius, you are very well about the ROCOR observation. We should pray to God, that the Synod of Saint John Maximovitch and Saint Philaret Voznesensky creates repentance in the Moscow Patriarchate! Allready, all the monasteries in Russia are anti-ecumenist. And because of their influence many clergy are too. Sadly, it's the bishops that need convincing. Hopefully, GOD willing, Metropolitan Laurus dream of having a United Russian Orthodoxy will come Truthfuly a reality than a fake lie.
And yes, as some here say, it is sad that this division is cutting the Orthodox apart with Jurisdictions. But, let's thank GOD that there are still Elders and Good Bishops still surviving in the alleged World Orthodoxy. Thanks to the ROCOR's movement to dialogue with the MP, the State Church of Greece under Archbishop Christodulus has opened dialogue with the Traditionalist Synods of Greece. I hope everyone has a blessed Christmas! Praises for your good observations, Nectarius!

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