Tradition verses scripture

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Tradition verses scripture

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How do you view Tradition when it seems to violate scripture?

My problem is this: I've been reading about the birth of Mary to Joachim and Anna, and how in due course, they take her to the temple when she was three. " She Herself ascended the high steps and, by revelation from God, She was led into the very Holy of Holies, by the High Priest "
(Kontakion of the Entry into the Temple)

"She spent so much time in prayer in the Holy of Holies that one might say that She lived in it."
(Service to the Entry, second sticheron on "Lord, I have cried,"and the "Glory, Both Now...")

The problem is that according to scripture, this couldn't have happened. The High Priest went into the Holy of Holies only once a year, on the day of atonement. He went in alone, after an extensive ritual. There wasn't any possibility of anyone else entering with him. Also, given the Jewish culture at the time, the idea that a women could enter the Holy of Holies would have been beyond imagining.

"To the high priest alone it was permitted to enter the holy of holies, which he did only once a year, on the great Day of Atonement, for "the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest" (Heb. 9; 10). Wearing his gorgeous priestly vestments, he entered the temple before all the people, and then, laying them aside and assuming only his linen garments in secret, he entered the Holy of Holies alone, and made expiation, sprinkling the blood of the sin offering on the mercy seat, and offering up incense. Then resuming his splendid robes, he reappeared before the people (Lev. 16). Thus the wearing of these robes came to be identified with the Day of Atonement."

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Justin Kissel

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We had a conversation that touched on this a couple years ago which can be found here. I don't think I understand the situation now any more than then, so I'm not sure what to say other than to give you the link. For me, this is one of the things that fell into the obedience category: that is to say, if the Church was a "truth telling thing" (to borrow from Chesterton), and was indeed what it claimed to be (the literal body of Christ, with Christ as the head), then I was ready to trust it on the things I didn't understand (interpreting them allegorically or using some other non-literal exegesis if necessary).

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Ditto. Well put Justin (for a neophyte :))And there is no competition between "Tradition vs Scripture."
Scripture froms part of Holy Tradition.

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The Theotokos' prayers in the Holy of Holies were the only exception to the rule, "by revelation from God", not known to the rest or the Jews!

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How do you view Tradition when it seems to violate scripture?

I would just like to add, although I think I remember saying this before, that Tradition doesn't violate Scripture. In fact, there are two types of Tradition; Written Tradition adn Oral Tradition. Oral Tradition is the Tradition which is not written down anyway, but is passed down orally. The other type, Written Tradition, is Tradition which is written down, which classification Scripture falls into. That is my backing of the statement that Tradition doesn't violate Scripture.
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Actually her entrance and dwelling in the Holy of Holies is supported by scripture:

And thou shalt put the mercy seat upon the ark of the testimony in the most holy place. (Exodus 26:34)

And the LORD said unto Moses, Speak unto Aaron thy brother, that he come not at all times into the holy place within the veil before the mercy seat, which is upon the ark; that he die not: for I will appear in the cloud upon the mercy seat. (Leviticus 16:2)

And the priests brought in the ark of the covenant of the LORD unto his place, to the oracle of the house, into the most holy place, even under the wings of the cherubims. (2 Chronicles 5:7)

The ark which bear the stones of the Law was always in the Holy of Holies, so it was most fitting for the Virgin Mary, the true ark who bore the Law Giver to dwell there. Comparing her to the high priest is a category mistake.

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