Fasting

The practice of living the life in Christ: fasting, vigil lamps, head-coverings, family life, icon corners, and other forms of Orthopraxy. All Forum Rules apply.


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gphadraig
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It would appear to me, at least, that some posters were trying to clarify what was the Churches teaching on fasting, with particular emphasis on the St Phillips or the Nativity Fast. In an age when the many appear to determine for themselves - no doubt in accordance to their god within - what spiritual practices they will or will not follow it is refreshing to see that there are those who would wish to establish a mark against which they might strive. A genuine enquirer should be treated on an Orthodox website with respect, surely?

If one was following a training regime for baseball or many other secular activities one would be mindful of the need to approach the discipline of the training with care and particular attention. One who did this would, likely as not, be praised by those critics of the game.

Why then do those who wish to establish the ground-rules for fasting rather than doing so according to their own whim or will attract scorn on an Orthodox forum?

Fasting is like any other spiritual ascetic exercise, it may be avoided, undertaken in a dilettante manner, embraced or become a prideful exercise, true. How enquiring what the ground-rules are and seeking to clarify the same is either pharisaical or prideful simply eludes me.

What I have noticed is in the West and among modernists everywhere there is a great discomfort when faced with fasting, prostrations or the full cycle of services. Yet how many of the same will indulge in strange diets, exercise and meditation exercises. Those discomforted by long services often include those who have no problem in attending lengthy concernts and other secular entertainments.

I would much rather participate in any amount of toing and froing on spiritual issues and disciplines. If you a discomforted by this then give those threads a miss.

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What I have noticed is in the West and among modernists everywhere there is a great discomfort when faced with fasting, prostrations or the full cycle of services. Yet how many of the same will indulge in strange diets, exercise and meditation exercises. Those discomforted by long services often include those who have no problem in attending lengthy concernts and other secular entertainments.

I wholeheartedly agree! I was talking about religion with a friend of mine who just couldn't understand why I fast at all and why I go to church more than once a week. This is the same friend who was a body builder in his youth and put himself through many rigorous physical trials in order to attain what he considered a good form.

Once I put it into a certain perspective for him, showing him that, from at least my point of view, fasting and other religious practices help me to attain a "good form" spiritually, he understood it a bit more. He thinks I'm crazy, but he sort of "gets it" now. I thought he was crazy when he was eating raw eggs whilst bodybuilding, so it works out. We're both crazy ;)

I think it's important to try to explain religious praxis in terms that people can understand and using their own life and praxis as a starting point, if only to build a bridge to better understanding. Then true evangelism can begin. St. Paul did such a thing when dealing the the Greeks and it's something we can learn from even today.

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Post by joasia »

Tom says:

I was not citing your post in particular. I was making a general observation about the back and forth about what the fast consisted of.

And I was included in that "back and forth". I'm only citing myself, because I cannot comment on anyone else's behalf. So being included in that scope of your "observation", I stood up to state that my commentary was not based on a phariseeical attitude. That's all.

You have the right to your own opinion, but it's wrong to make such a blatant conclusion about the air of conversation we were having....labeling it phariseeical, which it was not, unless you know a particular person, in the conversation, that you know is lying through his teeth.

How about sharing your feelings about the fasting rule. Do you agree with it, disagree with it, struggle with it, don't care? What's your experience about fasting, as a convert. Share with us...don't just sit there and make general observations.

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A question about Jello.

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I thought I would make an appeal to all of you out there in regards to a question I was just asked.

The question was, is Jello allowed to be eaten during the fast?

Not having a great appetite for such, I didn't know the answer.

My ignorance is extended even further, as I was once under the
belief that Jello was made from horse's hooves. If so, I would
assume that Jello would not be allowed during the fast.

Thanks ahead of time, and forgive me for my ignorance. :P

With humble bow,

Rd. Chrysostomos

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Rd. Chrysostomos....

Jello is a no no,,,, it's made from pork gelatin.....

Katya

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Post by Maria »

Ekaterina wrote:

Rd. Chrysostomos....

Jello is a no no,,,, it's made from pork gelatin.....

Katya

Certain stores will sell a dairy free, no meat Jello substitute called Emes Kosher-Jel and they are located in Lombard, Il 60148-0833

Hope this helps,

Maria

Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me a sinner.

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Post by Chrysostomos »

Ekatrina and Maria,

Thank you for your responses.

I don't know which is worse, Jello made via gelatin from horse hooves, or from pork gelatin. When I think of either, it definetely doesn't make me desire Jello, regardless of lent or no lent.

Thanks :lol:

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