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I don't believe this was just an ecumenical "favor". There is much more to this...the training of their future "priests"; so that by the next generation, the ship will sink even faster.


Jesuit Named Chairman Of Patristic Institute At Holy Cross, Orthodox
Professors Passed Over

By Theodore Kalmoukos
Special to The National Herald

BOSTON - A Roman Catholic Jesuit priest has been named chairman of the newly established Orthodox Patristic Institute of Holy Cross Greek Orthodox School of Theology.

Rev. Robert J. Daly, professor emeritus of Theology at Boston College, was chosen by Holy Cross to organize the Institute. Archbishop Demetrios of America, Chairman of the School, and Holy Cross President Rev. Nicholas Triantafilou signed off on the decision.

The Stephen & Catherine Pappas Patristic Institute is named after its
founders. The Pappas family has donated close to two million dollars.

The donation was made 13 years ago, when Metropolitan (then Bishop)
Methodios of Boston was President of the School. Stephen Pappas has since passed away, but his wife Catherine continues to support the Institute.

The purpose of the Institute is "to promote and advance the study of the Fathers of the Church," Rev. Dr. Emmanuel Clapsis, Dean of Holy Cross, told the National Herald.

Roman Catholics and Protestants, along with Orthodox members, have been appointed to serve on the Administrative Board of the Institute, while Dr. George Bebis, professor of Orthodox Patristic Studies who taught at Holy Cross for more than 40 years, was completely ignored.

Among the Orthodox members of the Board are Rev. Dr. Theodore
Stylianopoulos, professor of New Testament Studies, and Rev. Pavlos
Koumatianos, who was appointed professor of Liturgical Theology this past May. Rev. Koumatianos has suddenly departed from Holy Cross (and from the U.S., as well), however, for unspecified reasons, thus far.

"The delay of establishing the Pappas Patristic Institute is due to a series of problems that the School faced which did not give Holy Cross a chance to develop all its programs and potentialities," Rev. Clapsis said.

On October 15-16, the Pappas Patristic Institute organized "Apocalyptic
Themes in Early Christianity," its first conference, to which neither Dr.
Bebis nor Rev. Dr. George Dragas, both well respected professors of
Patrology, were invited to speak.

Rev. Stylianopoulos presented on Orthodox Patristic Theology and Thought.

"We invited all the experts that deal with Patristic Studies in New
England," Rev. Clapsis said.

In response to the Herald’s question how and why a Jesuit priest has been placed at the helm of an Orthodox Institute, Rev. Clapsis said that Rev. Daly "has experience in Institutes. He is one of the founders of the Boston Theological Institute, as well as the first Director of the Jesuit Institute at Boston College," adding that "we appointed a Roman Catholic to help us so our Institute is not a small grocery store, but to have a serious structure.

We (the Orthodox) are only a handful, and sometimes there are personal sensitivities and animosities."

In reference to the passing over of Dr. Bebis, Rev. Clapsis told the Herald that "he was my professor. I respect him, and I support him, as he supports me, but some choices had to be made."

Rev. Clapsis said he is assuming "personal responsibility for those choices, which were approved by the Archbishop and Father Triantafilou."

As far as the speakers of the Institute’s inaugural conference, Rev. Clapsis said, "we are not looking how many are Protestants and how many Orthodox. We tried to find the best Patrologists who deal with that topic."

Dr. Bebis, on the other hand, in interview with the Herald, protested all
that has transpired with the Pappas Patristic Institute at Holy Cross, so
far:

Speaking about the appointment of Rev. Robert Daly as chairman of the
Institute, Dr. Bebis said "for me, he does not represent the spirit of the
Greek Fathers of the Church."

Dr. Bebis considers his virtually total jostling from the Institute and its
recent Conference as "discrimination against me," he said. "I was surprised not to see my name on the Administrative Board. I see individuals who have contributed nothing special to the Patristic Studies at our Theological School and in the study of the Fathers."

As to why a Jesuit was appointed chairman of an Orthodox Institute at Holy Cross School, Dr. Bebis said, "I do not have any disfavor against Fr. Daly, but for me, he does not express the spirit of the Greek Fathers of the Church. I know he has written books related to Origen, but beyond that, I am not aware of any other contribution towards the study of the Fathers."

Dr. Bebis also disclosed that he has both verbally and in writing complained to the Archbishop, but nothing came of it: "His response to my verbal complaint was, yes you are right Dr. George, and he smiled. He never replied to my written complaint."

Asked if there is any Orthodox Theologian appointed as chairman in any Roman Catholic Institute, Dr. Bebis said that, "from whatever I know, there is none."

Professor Bebis refused to attend the Institute’s inaugural conference last week.

"The Faith which I was taught by the Holy Fathers, which I taught at all
times without adjusting it according to the times, this Faith I will never
stop teaching; I was born with it and I live by it."

—St. Gregory the Theologian

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Yeah. This is unacceptable. And if that is coming from me - then you know it HAS to be wrong! :x

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Totally insane :ohvey:

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To be fair (or is this unfair?), I think a main point for doing this was to make it seem like it was at a high theological level and should be taken seriously. They even came right out and said this in the article ("we appointed a Roman Catholic to help us so our Institute is not a small grocery store, but to have a serious structure"). Perhaps they were afraid that if it were only Orthodox Christians participating, then they would be ignored by everyone in the scholarly community. As I said over at OC.net, I have no problem with Catholic professors (or Protestant for that matter), even in the field of patristics, but I'm still not handling this particular situation well. Best case scenario, they brought the guy in because they have big plans/hopes for the Institute, don't feel that they have enough "name recognition" or expertise to do it on their own, but will not allow the fellow to say anything unorthodox.

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I agree.

Either the Orthodox Church is the TRUE Church holding CORRECT teachings, or it is not. And If it is the TRUE Church holding CORRECT teachings, then it cannot employ a theologin from another church that teaches differently . Period.

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Lord Have Mercy.....

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I too concur with Orthodox6. Historically some Orthodox appear to have felt inadequate in the face of the 'brilliance' of the heterodox, whether Latin or protestant. Individual and isolated Orthodox clergy also seem to have need of a clerical peer group and seek it among their nearer, geographically, heterodox clerics. And some are either simply pro-Papal or ecumenist in their leanings.

Attracting funding and academic standing also appears to have a corrosive effect.

The odd thing is out there in the wider world one does come across those heterodox and writings which are commendable. We may acknowledge them and use their works, with acknowledgement, but appointing a Jesuit priest in such a key post? Better to submit to the will of the Almighty and pray for an answer. But of course that wouldn't be practical, would it?

No, I have more admiration for a mosque I heard of some time back. It was a poor and struggling little place. A lottery winner offered a sizeable donation. And the mosque elders turned it down flat, citing the impropriety of accepting such a gift gained as a result of gambling.

Now I utterly reject Islam and its teaching, but I did salute their integrity.

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