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Who will you vote for to be the next POTUS?

Poll ended at Sun 31 October 2004 5:38 pm

Michael Anthony Peroutka of the Constitution Party

9
23%

George W. Bush of the Republican (Grand Old) Party

13
33%

Michael Badnarik of the Libertarian Party

2
5%

Ralph Nader of the Reform Party

1
3%

John Kerry of the Democrat Party

8
20%

David Cobb of the Green Party

0
No votes

Walt Brown of the Socialist Party

1
3%

I am writing in Patrick Buchanan!

2
5%

Anyone But Kerry!

1
3%

Anyone But Bush!

0
No votes

Other (Please describe in detail)

0
No votes

Nobody (Thus I have no right to complain about who wins)

3
8%
 
Total votes: 40

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Third Bush-Kerry debate: on Abortion

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Third Bush-Kerry debate: on Abortion

George W. Bush: No litmus test except interpretation of the Constitution

KERRY: I will not allow somebody to come in and change Roe v. Wade. The president has never said whether or not he would do that. But we know from the people he's tried to appoint to the court he wants to. I will not.

MODERATOR: Kerry claims that you had never said whether you would like to overturn Roe v. Wade. Would you?

BUSH: What he's asking me is, will I have a litmus test for my judges? And the answer is, no, I will not have a litmus test. I will pick judges who will interpret the Constitution, but I'll have no litmus test.

KERRY: The president didn't answer the question. I'll answer it straight to America. I'm not going to appoint a judge to the Court who's going to undo a constitutional right, whether it's the 1st Amendment, or the 5th Amendment, or some other right that's given under our Constitution. And I believe that the right of choice is a constitutional right. I don't intend to see it undone. Clearly, the president wants to leave in ambivalence or intends to undo it.

Source: [Xref Kerry] Third Bush-Kerry Debate, in Tempe Arizona

George W. Bush: Partial birth abortion is a brutal practice to be banned
It's important to promote a culture of life. A hospitable society is a society where every being counts and every person matters. The ideal world is one in which every child is protected in law and welcomed to life. I understand there's great differences on this issue of abortion, but I believe reasonable people can come together and put good law in place that will help reduce the number of abortions. Take, for example, the ban on partial birth abortion. It's a brutal practice. People from both political parties came together in the halls of Congress and voted overwhelmingly to ban that practice. It made a lot of sense. What I'm saying is, is that as we promote life and promote a culture of life, surely there are ways we can work together to reduce the number of abortions: continue to promote adoption laws-it's a great alternative to abortion-continue to fund and promote maternity group homes; I will continue to promote abstinence programs.
Source: Third Bush-Kerry debate, in Tempe AZ

John Kerry: No undoing Constitutional rights, including right of choice

KERRY: I will not allow somebody to come in and change Roe v. Wade. The president has never said whether or not he would do that. But we know from the people he's tried to appoint to the court he wants to. I will not.

MODERATOR: Kerry claims that you had never said whether you would like to overturn Roe v. Wade. Would you?

BUSH: What he's asking me is, will I have a litmus test for my judges? And the answer is, no, I will not have a litmus test. I will pick judges who will interpret the Constitution, but I'll have no litmus test.

KERRY: The president didn't answer the question. I'll answer it straight to America. I'm not going to appoint a judge to the Court who's going to undo a constitutional right, whether it's the 1st Amendment, or the 5th Amendment, or some other right that's given under our Constitution. And I believe that the right of choice is a constitutional right. I don't intend to see it undone. Clearly, the president wants to leave in ambivalence or intends to undo it.

Source: Third Bush-Kerry Debate, in Tempe Arizona

John Kerry: Cannot change Roe v. Wade because of my own faith
Q: Some Catholic archbishops said that it would be a sin to vote for a candidate like you because you support a woman's right to choose an abortion and unlimited stem-cell research. What is your reaction to that?
A: I completely respect their views. I am a Catholic. And I grew up learning how to respect those views. But I disagree with them, as do many. I can't legislate or transfer to another American citizen my article of faith. What is an article of faith for me is not something that I can legislate on somebody who doesn't share that article of faith. I believe that choice is a woman's choice. It's between a woman, God and her doctor. That's why I support that. I will not allow somebody to come in and change Roe v. Wade.

Source: Third Bush-Kerry debate, in Tempe AZ

The above quotations are from Third Bush-Kerry debate, on domestic policy, Oct. 13, 2004, in Tempe Arizona.

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Kind of says the same thing....I don't expect very much from either side to be truthful...but it is very disturbing because it seems like we are in WWIII & every action we take is critical to our future. Personally, I don't think that we will see an end to any of this in our lifetime.

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Im baaaccckk. hi guys IT'S ME Artemon! thanks Deacon Nikoli for letting me return and forgive me for ANY offense I've caused in the past, Oh you aint seen nothin yet Natasha there will ww3 and RUSSIA will win, according to Church Fathers any ways both bush and kerry are masons and they are lieing threw thier teeth 9/11 was an inside job to help push the start of suspension of the costitution and bring in new world order here sometimes masons like to blurt out of thier mouths thier plans but thier not afraid that "most" will realise what they just said because masons know that "most" people are braiwashed to watch t.v. and go to sports events and don't know thier laws history of world including governments "CREATING" TERRORIST ATTACKS SO they can take over in a TOTALITARION WAY here please read bush's little revieling job under his picture of him doin this sign . http://www.steamshovelpress.com/

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Re: Third Bush-Kerry debate: on Abortion

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Deacon Nikolai wrote:

Third Bush-Kerry debate: on Abortion

Source: [Xref Kerry] Third Bush-Kerry Debate, in Tempe Arizona

Source: Third Bush-Kerry Debate, in Tempe Arizona

John Kerry: Cannot change Roe v. Wade because of my own faith
Q: Some Catholic archbishops said that it would be a sin to vote for a candidate like you because you support a woman's right to choose an abortion and unlimited stem-cell research. What is your reaction to that?
A: I completely respect their views. I am a Catholic. And I grew up learning how to respect those views. But I disagree with them, as do many. I can't legislate or transfer to another American citizen my article of faith. What is an article of faith for me is not something that I can legislate on somebody who doesn't share that article of faith. I believe that choice is a woman's choice. It's between a woman, God and her doctor. That's why I support that. I will not allow somebody to come in and change Roe v. Wade.

Source: Third Bush-Kerry debate, in Tempe AZ

The above quotations are from Third Bush-Kerry debate, on domestic policy, Oct. 13, 2004, in Tempe Arizona.

Dear Fr. Deacon Nikolai:

As I said, Sen. Kerry is against all abortion. You continue to refuse to address the fact that President Bush is pro-abortion in the case of incest, rape and health of the mother. The unfortunate events surrounding the conception of a child is no justification for murder of the child.

We Orthodox Christians have had centuries of experience with governments being directed in their policies by Roman Catholic Hierarchs (millions killed) and a few years in this country by the Evangelical Protestant Fundamentalists (were lucky they don't know we exist), let history speak, then learn.

Try as I might, I can't find any information or location for St. Basil of Kinesham Russia Orthodox Church on the Internet. Where are you located, what is your jurisdiction, who is your Bishop?

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I ask you view this it won't hurt http://www.hermes-press.com/brainwash1.htm And heres one for the "Eonomy" http://www.hermes-press.com/econ2.htm

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Re: Third Bush-Kerry debate: on Abortion

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frluke wrote:

As I said, Sen. Kerry is against all abortion.

I do not see anywhere where that is said, he is totally for keeping it legal, even partial-birth abortuion

frluke wrote:

You continue to refuse to address the fact that President Bush is pro-abortion in the case of incest, rape and health of the mother. The unfortunate events surrounding the conception of a child is no justification for murder of the child.

I agree this is wrong and he is for allowing a choice in these conditions. I admit that. Luckily he is not the person I am voting for, so I do not need to defend my candidate when it comes to murder :-D

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Try as I might, I can't find any information or location for St. Basil of Kinesham Russia Orthodox Church on the Internet. Where are you located, what is your jurisdiction, who is your Bishop?

Father Luke, did you follow the link in my signature? It should take you right to the web site we have had up for years. If you Google for Saint Basil of Kineshma, it is the first link as well. Would you reciprocate and tell us what parish you serve, what bishop you are under and what synod he serves in?

------- To another poster and another topic ... -------

Now Artemon, a lot fo people are at work or school and do not read all the posts, give it time and see if you get a response. Yelling that people are ignoring you may just make them ignore you rather than reading your posts and following the links in due time.

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Forgive Me Deacon Nikoli, so I was wondering if you saw the site what do you think?

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