Racial Pride/Tribalism and Orthodoxy. Are they compatable?

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Joasia--

I meant what I said on Sept 17 because there had been a lot of fighting over nothing in the traditionalist forum. Since then however, I've tried to reason with several of the racists that managed to situate themselves here for a while, and even got a little rough with them when their evil agenda proved intractable to Christian reasonings.

But this situation calls for real anger, your stance calls for hostility. Your anti-Jew slanderings and Jew conspiracies you're spreading looks like an evil thing to me and I'll call it evil. What you're peddling sounds very neo-Nazi. It makes me angry and I'll let you and anyone else know about it. What's wrong with people nowadays? Looks more and more like fewer and fewer people remember WWII and what happened then. Or maybe you are one of those who discount the Holocaust as being purely imaginary, too.

If learning to be Orthodox means I should learn to spread Jew conspiracy nonsense as you are doing, or to wink at what you are doing and tacitly agree with you, and smile at Jews one meets in person while talking about how evil they are behind their backs, then maybe it's not worthwhile being Orthodox, because it would mean one should be a hypocrite and a spreader of evil tales. It's one thing to be well informed; it's quite another to be maliciously misinformed and spread stupid lies that may well lead to someone being hounded from their homes in pogroms.

Maybe Orthodoxy has a dark side and this is it. If rabid anti-Jew sentiments and hatred are the general belief throughout Orthodoxy, then it is no better than the Protestant and the Catholic clergy who openly collaborated with the Nazis during WWII.

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Hexapsalms,

You just keep feeling what you feel. I didn't make any offense about jews. I was talking about an historical fact.

It's no skin off my nose. Stew in your anger. You don't know me. So don't make judgements.

What goes around comes around...and I got mine. When I started here, I also lashed out with anger at the good people that have written here way before me. Maybe after a time, you will also learn about the people here and not be so quick to take offense.

Now I can REALLY hear TomS laughing.

Why don't you re-focus on the subject of this thread.

Joasia

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OrthodoxyOrDeath wrote:

What makes people think "Whites" are better is beyond me. "Whites", partcularly those who only a few centuries ago were barbarian hordes, were among the most uncivilized in the world and are not responsible for any great success's, unless one considers mans cleverness toward materialism and science "civilization" and "success".

I always thought Native Americans had one of the best civilizations.

This is quite unfair. All of Europe had reached some level of civilization over a millenium ago. Europe has been the centre of Christianity for almost 2000 years, has produced more varied artistic styles than any other civilization on earth, has a fantastic musical tradition, is responsible for every non-despotic political theory ever invented, I could go on. And how is it that you disparage the pre-Christian Germanic culture but laud Native American culture, which was similar in social structure and at least to some extent in religion?

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joasia wrote:

Believe what you want. The information is out there. The rebels were mostly Khazar jews who wanted to destroy Christianity, but especially Orthodoxy. The Tsar was a good Orthodox Christian man, but the history books make him look like a tyrant. Why is that? If he was, the devil wouldn't have destroyed him and his children. So what does that make the people who killed him and children? It wasn't by God's instructions.

Jew here ...tired of being blamed for communism...if a lot of Jews were given to political radicalism, it's because they were so sick of being kicked around by the powers that be. I hardly even blame them.

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Esther,

It's a proven fact that the ones that instigated the death of the Tsar, were Jews.

I wasn't blaming you. I was stating that the people that caused the Revolution were Jews and they wanted to destroy Christianity in Russia.

Marx was a Jew. He studied the kabbala. Communism is based on the Marxist theory with an added twist of cruelty. The Kabbala says a lot of nasty things about Christians. The goal of the teachings of kabbala is to destroy the Christians. Afterall, we are considered goyim to you, aren't we?

My question to you is...what is your interest in this chatboard? You don't see me going to Jewish chatboards. Are you here to stir up trouble or what?

And before you answer, just ask yourself how you would feel if a Christian went on a Jewish chatboard and started talking about Jesus Christ. Wouldn't you question his integrity?

By the way, how DO you feel about Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour. The TRUE Messiah.

One more question, where ARE the descendents of the 12 tribes of Israel? Shouldn't there be some living in this time? I'm not talking about the Azkanazis that converted from the eastern tribes centuries ago and have no blood relation to the 12 tribes, which includes the Khazar tribes. I'm talking about the TRUE lineage of Abraham and Jacob.

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It's a proven fact that the ones that instigated the death of the Tsar, were Jews.

I'll take your word for it. I don't really care.

I wasn't blaming you. I was stating that the people that caused the Revolution were Jews and they wanted to destroy Christianity in Russia.

If you weren't blaming me you wouldn't have bothered to point out that a lot of the communists were Jews. I'm sure there are a lot of other attributes shared by many of the communists, but you don't pick any of these out to harp on. If they wanted to destroy Christianity I can't say I entirely blame them, because the Christianity that interacted with them was not worthy of the name.

Marx was a Jew. He studied the kabbala.

I'm not even going to bother responding to this myself. I'll just quote the intro to the Washington Square Press edition of the manifesto, "The Marxes were a Jewish family; both father and mother had come from families of rabbis. But Marx's father, educated in the anti-religious atmosphere of the late eighteenth-century Enlightenment, gave up Judaism and the Jewish community, and became a lawyer and a Prussian official. Eventually, when Karl Marx was six, his father had himself and his whole family baptized as Lutherans...He (Marx) was never taught much about Judaism or Jewish life, and he was proud of his ignorance...He had few Jewish friends. He wrote a fair amount about the Jews of Europe, always regarding Judaism as a stupid superstition...He adopted from his Christian neighbours the habit of calling ideas and people he did not like "dirty-Jewish".

The Kabbala says a lot of nasty things about Christians. The goal of the teachings of kabbala is to destroy the Christians.

BS. The Kabbala is anti-Christian, but that's hardly the main point of it. The main point is to recount the fevered mystical speculations of southern French Jews who had read too much Plotinus.

Afterall, we are considered goyim to you, aren't we?

Yes, "goyim" originally meant "nations" (not cattle, despite what your NS friends would tell you). It translates roughly to "Gentile" ie. non-Jew.

My question to you is...what is your interest in this chatboard?

I'm an Orthodox Christian. That doesn't mean I cease to be Jewish.

And before you answer, just ask yourself how you would feel if a Christian went on a Jewish chatboard and started talking about Jesus Christ.

It's not hypothetical. Every Jewish messageboard has a pet Christian or two.

One more question, where ARE the descendents of the 12 tribes of Israel? Shouldn't there be some living in this time? I'm not talking about the Azkanazis that converted from the eastern tribes centuries ago and have no blood relation to the 12 tribes, which includes the Khazar tribes. I'm talking about the TRUE lineage of Abraham and Jacob.

You really need to stop getting your info about Jews from NS Quarterly. The 10 tribes of the north were lost after the Assyrian dispersion. The two remaining were in Mesopotamia, Palestine, and the Meditteranean world at the time of Jesus. Over time, the Jews started moving north and east. The ones who made it to Germany were the founders of the Ashkenazi community (the rabbis called Germany Ashkenaz), which mixed with the fleeing Khazars when that empire was destroyed near the end of the first millenium. The Sephardim mainly were in Spain; there were also descendants of the Jews who had been in Italy and Greece at the time of Jesus still living in those countries.

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Esther,

I'm confused with your response. On the one had you say you are "Orthodox Christian" and on the other hand you get insulted by commentaries about Jews. You started your response with: Jew here" What did you want me to think you are??

So WHAT are you??

By the way, I have no idea what you mean about "NS". You seem to be accusing me about something and yet YOU DO NOT KNOW ME and I don't have an ioda of an idea what NS means. Does it mean, Nova Scotia or new style? How would you know who my friends are? Don't bear false witness against your neighbor. You made a low blow.

If you weren't blaming me you wouldn't have bothered to point out that a lot of the communists were Jews.

Did I say that Esther is the cause of the Russian Revolution? Excuse me. How old are you? Were you there? I wasn't talking about you, but you said you are tired of being blamed for communism. I didn't say Esther is the cause of communism, did I? Jews seem to take it on a grander scale, like they are being blamed for something that happened in 1917, when we are only talking about an event that happened with certain people, where you were not involved. When a jew says: I'm tired of being blamed for communism, then the response would be...I wasn't blaming you.

If they wanted to destroy Christianity I can't say I entirely blame them, because the Christianity that interacted with them was not worthy of the name.

Well, this one you need to explain to the rest of us unworthy Orthodox Christians.

I'm not even going to bother responding to this myself. I'll just quote the intro to the Washington Square Press edition of the manifesto, "The Marxes were a Jewish family; both father and mother had come from families of rabbis. But Marx's father, educated in the anti-religious atmosphere of the late eighteenth-century Enlightenment, gave up Judaism and the Jewish community, and became a lawyer and a Prussian official. Eventually, when Karl Marx was six, his father had himself and his whole family baptized as Lutherans...He (Marx) was never taught much about Judaism or Jewish life, and he was proud of his ignorance...He had few Jewish friends. He wrote a fair amount about the Jews of Europe, always regarding Judaism as a stupid superstition...He adopted from his Christian neighbours the habit of calling ideas and people he did not like "dirty-Jewish".

Ya. Really reliable source...the press.

BS. The Kabbala is anti-Christian, but that's hardly the main point of it.

First, don't use that type of expression here. Second, that IS the MAIN point of it. Who are you trying to kid, sister? It is full of hate and lies about Christians. Go peddle your heresies somewhere else.

Yes, "goyim" originally meant "nations" (not cattle, despite what your NS friends would tell you). It translates roughly to "Gentile" ie. non-Jew.

Ya, it's a "rough" translation, but the use of it was very SPECIFIC. The non-jews were considered cattled. That's how they use the term now. Don't try to create lies here.

I'm an Orthodox Christian. That doesn't mean I cease to be Jewish.

THAT is a feat I have to see. So how is your Sabbath today. Did you light the manorah yet?

You still didn't answer my question: HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT JESUS CHRIST OUR SAVIOUR? You either believe that He is the Messiah or you don't.

By the way...what's your CHRISTIAN name? The chatroom has talked about unique Christian names, but Esther is a definite Jewish name. When were you baptised and what name were you given?

Don't get me wrong. I don't hate jews, I just feel sorry for them because they believe in a lie. They lost out on knowing the TRUE MESSIAH, JESUS CHRIST. You can understand that, right? You said you're Orthodox Christian. You must be an anomaly to your jewish family. So what's your story??

I'm not here to argue, although you sound like the kind of person that looks forward to arguements.

But, I will not continue to give explanations about my response. If you want to argue, then take it some place else. Let's move on to a better place, shall we?

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