Racial Pride/Tribalism and Orthodoxy. Are they compatable?

joasia · Post by **joasia** » Thu 21 October 2004 8:24 pm

I've never read anything about Lenin (a.k.a Vladimir Ulyanov) being Jewish.

There are plenty of books discussing it.

I'm not sure about Trotsky, but Stalin for sure was NOT a Jew.

Trotsky's real last name was Bronstein and Stalin's was Jossip Vissarionovich Djugashvili. He may have gone to church, but it doesn't prove that he was Orthodox.

His mother was devoutly Orthodox, his father an indifferent drunk who beat the tar out of him, making him a godless monster.

So the OFFICIAL story is told.

Besides that, being a Jew doesn't mean the person is automatically a criminal, a revolutionary and a low-life.

I agree. I work for a very lovely Jewish owner. His wife is sweet and her father is a dear.

But, I am talking about the Communists who were mostly Jews and wanted to do alot of damage to Russia. They were murders(they killed over 30 million Russians) and it was more than being Jewish, they were and still are against God. They serve the deceiver who hates all the human creations of God. Get it? It's beyond Jewish, it's demonic. It's just that taking on the Jewish religion served their purpose many centuries ago.

The Bolsheviks were 95% Jews? Is that so? I don't believe it.

There is a very revealing book called the Scorpion. It's very difficult to find, but it will show you alot about what REALLY happened in Russia.

Believe what you want. The information is out there. The rebels were mostly Khazar jews who wanted to destroy Christianity, but especially Orthodoxy. The Tsar was a good Orthodox Christian man, but the history books make him look like a tyrant. Why is that? If he was, the devil wouldn't have destroyed him and his children. So what does that make the people who killed him and children? It wasn't by God's instructions.

Even IF the Jews were ALL Communist revolutionaries (as if it's in their genes)

I think I explained that difference...it's not that Jews are Communists, it's that a majority of the Communists were Jews. ...

... what would have endeared them to the Czarist government and the Orthodox people anyway?

Simple. The Tsar was blind to their true nature.

It seems that the Russian Orthodox hated (and still hate) the Jews with a passion and wanted them exiled or dead. What kind of Christianity is that?

They hate the anti-christs that instigated the downfall of the Russian people and hence the faith. Yes, many don't understand what really happen and hate the people. But, there are many that understand how the devil had his hand in this and fight that. Don't focus on the ignorance of simple-minded people. Besides, these people who hate, that you are referring to, are mostly Soviets, and they have lost their faith in Orthodoxy a long time ago.

The Communists didn't want to BEFRIEND the Orthodox, they wanted to destroy them, which they did a good job at. The first ones to be killed were those who saw what they were planning.

The rule of destroying someone is to make them believe that you are their friend and then stab them in the back when they are not looking, because they trust you.

Anyways, there is so much more to talk about, but you will just have to do your own research. This is too much to write about here. Too much to write.

Anyways, you either ask very naive questions or you are probing me for how much I know. I'm not the only one that knows this info.

I just gave you a very simplified answer...there is soooo much more involved.

Joanna

Joe Zollars · Post by **Joe Zollars** » Fri 22 October 2004 2:20 am

Actually as Fr. Deacon Nikolai can testify, there is a soldier burried in Staunton with a three bar cross marking his grave instead of hte standard western 1 bar cross.

Also keep in mind the Tsar himself was not neutral in the struggle. But back to my point that being a southern nationalist has nothing to do wtih the conflict of 1861 to 1865. That conflict is over and done with and any bonified soutehrn nationalist will tell you that we care more about wanting our children to be free than we do about wanting to glorify our ancestors.

Joe Zollars

Hexapsalms · Post by **Hexapsalms** » Fri 22 October 2004 9:39 am

Johanna--

Where do you get your information on the Jews? From the John Birch Society? Who publishes the "Scorpion"--the neo-Nazis? So I'm asking naive questions?

What is with the Orthodox that so many are Jew-haters? Just like the muslims (you know the folks who would like to set up a Caliphate here?) blaming the Jews for 9/11--I hear too many knee-jerk stupid reactions like that.

Might there not also be complaints about the Orthodox from the Jews for little things like pogroms and massacres? Probably you would say the Jew scum deserved it. God help any Jew who wandered out on the street on a Good Friday night. How dare they. So I asked what would have endeared the Jews to the Czar and the Orthodox, and you answered "Simple. The Tsar was blind to their true nature." That's no answer! I asked why would the Jews love the Czar and the Orthodox?

If the Communists loved the Jews so much then why did they make so much hell for them? Why did the Jews leave Russia in such great numbers after the Communists took over? I met quite a number of Russian Jews who moved to my town in the late 1970's, so don't tell me that the Communists loved the Jews.

And you work for a very "lovely" Jewish man and his wife. How tolerant you are to their face (what are they, pet Jews?), while peddling the evil Jew scenario here. If only they knew...

This makes me angry. What a disgusting and stupid stance for any Orthodox to take!

Joe Zollars · Post by **Joe Zollars** » Fri 22 October 2004 12:48 pm

where did I make any such statement about Jews???? Please actually read my posts before going off on them. Oh and btw it is Johanan not Johana.

Joe Zollars

Hexapsalms · Post by **Hexapsalms** » Fri 22 October 2004 1:27 pm

Joe--

My last e-mail wasn't addressing you, but Joasia who also signs off as Joanna.

joasia · Post by **joasia** » Fri 22 October 2004 9:13 pm

Hexapsalms,

Your angry response was uncalled for. There was no need for such hostility.

By the way, here is a previous post you made on Sept. 17:

I'm on several website forums and I've noticed that people often reply to each other in harsh sounding language. There is a tendency to rip into each other, talk dirty, or treat each other too familarly. Maybe it's our jagged-edge, sloppy-mannered culture that makes folks talk to each other this way. Maybe it's the overall feeling of disconnection because of the medium. One person on another site said that he responds to posters on web forums any way he feels like it (which is almost always aggressively, dismissive and nasty) because, as he said, the posters are only virtual people.

Although we see only each other's words and not the person who wrote them, still these words setting down thoughts, feelings and beliefs do represent a whole living person, not something virtual. It's not a machine that post replies on this site, but living people.

This would be a good time to re-commit to bearing with one another, and to communicate civilly. Otherwise, bad feelings an rough words makes divisiveness grow, promoting the detachment whereby each of us will certainly become something "virtual". A something to be abused at will, without concern about the very real suffering that may be caused by uncivil words and ungracious attitudes. In this atmosphere, Christ in us then becomes dis-incarnated, you might say, making us seem like virtual Christians.

Sept 18:
...but I'm here to learn about the Orthodox world, not to get into fights. Life is too short to grind axes....Until then, we must listen to our mother the Church about minding our manners.

Did you mean what you said? If so, prove it.

Joanna

gphadraig · Post by **gphadraig** » Sat 23 October 2004 9:49 am

I do not wish to take issue with or side with anyone and am unaware of what has preceded the last few posts on this thread. However I am also concerned about the extreme and aggressive way some posters seem so easily to slip into addressing one another. Debate and argument are one thing but abuse and outright verbal aggression another.

A truism I hold on to is, when the emotions rush in, the thinking rushes out. In some cases it appears there is actually thought and careful construction of some of these posts, but of an entirely destructive and/or defensive/offensive character. Some when challenged answer with a response on the lines of, "This how I am", "I like to be direct", etc. An interesting description of simply being discourteous and rude. This phenomena is not confined to the Cafe but also is to be found on OC.net, and others no doubt.

If we contend that we are Christian Orthodox, are we not bound to hate the sin but not the sinner? Turning the other cheek is not a checking procedure when shaving for us? No, perhaps it would be an imagined admission of weakness. Some of the most hotly and intelligent debates I ever heard where conducted in the most polite manner. And you never lost sight of the focus of the matter being discussed..........