Regarding the Royal Passion-Bearers/New Martyrs of Russia

romiosini · Post by **romiosini** » Tue 19 October 2004 9:55 pm

I don't want to bother anyone with this subject. I'm sure that there are many other posts regarding the Royal New Martyrs/ Passion Bearers of Russia, Saints Nicholas, Alexandra, Olga, Tatiana, Anastasia, Mary and Alexis.
Coming from a not spiritual family, my witness of veneration of all Saints is being noticed by my family. I am spiritually bonded to venerate Saint Nicholas, as if knowing that he is there to intercede for me when I need his help. And I would love to have an Icon of his on my icon wall, but there is a severe problem. I myself, know, and believe that Saint Nicholas was no murderer of Russia and loved his country with all his heart. I am doing history in my last year of high school, and my teacher, teaching History of the 20th century is quite extreme against the fact that the Autocracy of Russia was quite almost like a dictation. Which is totally not true. I used to fall into huge arguments with my father and my brother, due to with the true information regarding the Royal Martyr Saints, (of the site http://www.fr-d-serfes.org ), arguing about the Bloody Sunday issue. Also, I can't believe that the woman Anna Anderson, would claim to be Saint Anastasia, when she doesn't even know russian and isn't Orthodox! Anyways, just in case I end up in a querrel with family members about the Saints due to I plan to find an Icon of Saint Nicholas with his holy family to put on my Iconostasis, can anyone help make a logical essay just in case I should proove Satan wrong about the Saints? (Satan, not meaning my family, meaning that he possesses them for believing wrongly)
Thank you,
brother in Christ, Romiosini

gphadraig · Post by **gphadraig** » Wed 20 October 2004 6:01 am

The late Tsar Nicholas, like previous Tsars, has been repeatedly traduced. I believe this is because the Orthodox Tsars were are a restraining hand on the social engineering agendas of a caucus who hated many things including the beliefs of Orthodox Christians. Because of admittedly some incidents of heavy handed policing he is alluded to as 'Bloody Nicholas". The irony of this is that those who overthrew him killed so many that to call them 'bloody' would be a gross understatement. Of course, should you begin to point this out you are told you can't make omlettes without cracking eggs? Killing, imprisoning and exiling tens of thousands and more may be many thinks but it ain't cracking eggs. Of course, one well worn tactic of any propaganda machine is to attack the integrity and actions of those you oppose.

I have read the correspondence between the late Tsar and Tsarina, and have been exceedingly touched by their love for each other and their children. It also has been brought to my attention that Imperial Russia was a net exporter of wheat, had a highly valued ruble and was a pioneer of labour laws which brought cries of outrage from other countries worried that their populations would want the same to the discomfort of the industrial magnates.

Like many a nation World War One brought the nation to its knees and provided the malcontents the opening they sort to rid themselves of that restraining hand.

None is perfect, no form of governance is perfect, but in writing the history of Russia it might be remembered who re-wrote that history; the Soviets and those who beliefs were implacably opposed to the Tsars and all they believed.

romiosini · Post by **romiosini** » Thu 21 October 2004 6:44 pm

Anyone else?

George · Post by **George** » Thu 21 October 2004 9:50 pm

Archpriest Michael Polsky's book "The New Martyrs of Russia", has a very good section about the (very healthy) state of the Russian economy in the years leading up to WW1. I haven't got up to that section of the book yet though, and it is 20 pages long, so not really postable here unfortunately. St John of Shanghai and San Fransisco wrote an interesting homily about them too, and that is probably available somewhere on the internet. If they talk about 'Bloody Nicholas', let it not be forgotten that he initiated a conference in the Hague calling for disarmament at the start of his reign, and his work led to the League of Nations being formed, for which he was posthumously praised by the head of the League of Nations (which eventually led on to becoming the United Nations).

Suffice to say, the Royal Martyrs were slandered while they were living, they were slandered by the Communists, and in the secular Western countries lots of old slanders continue to be published or taught as truth.

romiosini · Post by **romiosini** » Fri 12 November 2004 9:48 pm

Anyone with any other theories and analysis on Emperor Nicholas the New Martyr? What George was pretty good view. Hey, what about Father Deacon Nicholas?

John Haluska · Post by **John Haluska** » Sat 13 November 2004 9:46 am

As you are well aware, Tsar Martyr Nicholas II is a Saint who has been glorified along with the other New Martyrs and Confessors of Russia in the Orthodox Church.

As has been suggested, it would be very beneficial to read books about Tsar Martyr Nicholas II and the other New Martyrs and Confessors of Russia. The book mentioned above is MOST beneficial, and extremely well written.

There are many other books which can be found at any Orthodox publisher such as Saint John of Kronstadt Press or The Monastery Press in Canada.

If that is not enough, contact Father Demetrios Serfes and ask him. His input would accurate and truthful and Orthodox in perspective. He would most likely be happy to assist you, or giude you to materials that may be beneficial to your inquiries.

John

romiosini · Post by **romiosini** » Wed 29 December 2004 12:13 pm

I've given a good look at Father Nectarios Serfes' site regarding the Passion Bearers. But I am wondering, what could contradict the opposite opinions. But what about the alleged BLOODY SUNDAY?
I am noticing the great amount of miracles happening everyday, but what will I say to my family went they attack me saying that I venerate a murderer or a thief? (According to them)