Protocols of the Elders of Zion

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Seraphim Reeves · Post by **Seraphim Reeves** » Sun 15 August 2004 1:55 pm

My understanding is that the Jewish religion is an apostate religion, which has defined itself largely on the basis of rejecting Christ - the rabbis tying up any "loose ends" which might have made a continuity between the Old and New Covenants obvious, and long have polluted the actual Torah with "traditions of men" which often contradict the spirit of the Law.

The Fathers, from what I've read, seem pretty clear that the Jews as a corporate entity are "accursed." It's not a "racial" thing, nor is it a hereditary punishment for the sins of their parents - rather it is the reality that each successive generation continues in the errors, attitudes, and apostacy of it's forbears. This is precisely why no one with any sense would reduce this to 19th century fascinations with "race" - the simple fact that if a Jew becomes a true Christian, no one would reckon him as being "cursed."

The Jews have become as the historically "first born" son of the Biblical tradition (which was actually giving us a prototype to dwell on), who because of their unworthiness did not receive this honour in the end, but it was rather received by their younger sibling - they are Ishmael, and Esau, or worse yet, Cain; marked and wandering, able to keep their identity as a people, but ultimatly being scorned wherever they go.

14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:
15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:
16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost. (1st Thessalonians 2:14-16)

Seraphim

viniamim · Post by **viniamim** » Mon 16 August 2004 8:00 am

In accordance with Evangelical teaching, "Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him" (1 John 3:15). Therefore, anyone who harbors feelings of hatred or anger, anyone who wishes evil to another person, slanders, quarrels, or by some other means displays his enmity towards others, violates the sixth commandment. To prevent us from harming each other, the Lord Jesus Christ commands us to root out from our hearts all feelings of anger and vengeance which are the ultimate cause of all violent actions against others. In His Sermon on the Mount, Jesus Christ said: "You have heard that it was said to those of old, you shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment. But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother is in danger of the judgment ... You have heard that it was said, An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. If anyone wants to sue you and take away your tunic, let him have your cloak also ... You have heard that it was said,You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven" (Matthew 5:21-40).

Etienne · Post by **Etienne** » Mon 16 August 2004 7:12 pm

Sadly, a significant portion of Hebrews at the time of His earthly mission rejected him, as will many reject him at the time of His second coming.

I am uncomfortable with some of the language and sub-texts to postings on this thread bearing in mind the thriving Hebrew populations of many European countries (along with others including the Roma) were terribly wiped out during World War Two. Personally, I have too witnessed terrible and barbaric attacks on members of this group and their property that beggar belief. The inhumane perpetrators try to justify their actions using some arguments seen here. I DO NOT WANT TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH SUCH BEHAVIOUR. Just as I continue to put pressure on my own Government to challenge Israeli Defence Force abuses of Palestinians and 'independent' observers. (Doing so publicly and risking targetting by certain Zionist groups). One needs to approach this, surely, as a Christian and not coming across as a paid up member of some neo-Fascist fringe party. One poster cited an Elder as his source and when I checked that source the Elder did give a frightening and uncomfortable message but couched in very different language and a much broader warning against the indifference of many Christians but not sounding like a spokesman for some fringe extremist group.

The larger portion of the descendants of the Old Covenant have and will reject the True Messiah because He was not what they desired. So too will the larger portion of those of the New Covenant reject the True Messiah because He is not what they desire. See Our Saviour's own prophecy contained in the Blessed Apostle Matthew's Gospel, and the Book of Revelations..........

brendan · Post by **brendan** » Fri 20 August 2004 7:00 am

seraphim reeves wrote:
The Jews have become as the historically "first born" son of the Biblical tradition (which was actually giving us a prototype to dwell on), who because of their unworthiness did not receive this honour in the end, but it was rather received by their younger sibling - they are Ishmael, and Esau, or worse yet, Cain; marked and wandering, able to keep their identity as a people, but ultimatly being scorned wherever they go.

Yes, being scorned seems be the usual reaction to the Jews. Of course, the Jews say the problem is with everyone else, not them. Sorry, I don't buy that. In my life, I've noticed that in America, and its probably the same everywhere, virtually every every anti-Christian effort will have Jews in the forefront. I don't believe that is a coincidence, but simply a manifestation of the anti-Christ attitude that saturates their religion and even has its influence on secular Jews. Does anyone think there wasn't an anti-Christ manifestation in the fact that a staggering proportion of the Bolsheviks were Jewish? This is not to say I assume that every Jew is thinking constantly of how they can undermine Christianity, but its a general attitude among Jews as a group. Personally, I deal each Jew as an individual, but I don't loose sight that groups still have tendencies.

What I worry about is this extreme reluctance within not only religious circles, but the entire society, to avoid criticizing Jews at all costs. Well, the Fathers never were shy about criticizing them. And if its good enough for them, its good enough for me. And if the Jews don't like it, that's too bad.

I did want to say, getting back to the thread topic, that I personally don't think the Protocols are what they are alledged to be. I don't think the Jews wrote them. Nonetheless, I do think they are worth reading to get an idea of how evil people might operate. What Machiavelli's "The Prince" is to maintaining personal power, the Protocols are to maintaining the power of a group. That's how I've come to view them.

"Have you had enough of the fight against the Jews? The man who does not have enough of loving Christ will never have enough of fighting against those who hate Christ." - St. John Chrysostom.

Miriam · Post by **Miriam** » Fri 20 August 2004 7:36 am

If there is one thing that this thread has taught me it is that it is far easier for us to practice hate, and much harder to practice love. It's also easier to excuse the hate with the writings of old. Yet before the writings of the fathers came into existance there were the words of Christ to adhere to. We seem to go with the later writings and ignore Christ's own words to us. Almost as if they are of lesser importance.

Sad how far man has fallen and we haven't even hit bottom yet......

Mira

brendan · Post by **brendan** » Fri 20 August 2004 9:55 am

miriam wrote:
If there is one thing that this thread has taught me it is that it is far easier for us to practice hate, and much harder to practice love. It's also easier to excuse the hate with the writings of old. Yet before the writings of the fathers came into existance there were the words of Christ to adhere to. We seem to go with the later writings and ignore Christ's own words to us. Almost as if they are of lesser importance.

There's a difference between criticism and hate.

But in any case, Christ didn't hesitate to use the strongest of words to denounce people who practiced or justified evil. Look at the way He constantly hammered the Pharisees, calling them sons of the devil, murderers of the prophets, hypocrites, etc. So, on this issue, I think the words of the Fathers are in accordance with those of Christ.

In one sense Christ's entire ministry was a continuous battle against Phraiseeism - the forerunner of modern rabbinic Judaism.