Met. Valentine should be deposed

[Subdeacon Jerjis]

Met. Valentine has already been deposed in heaven because of his lawlessness. The canons he broke are numerous.

Breaking only one is actually enough. He accepted Michael Graves from Haiti and 185 parishioners with him unbaptized. Micahel Graves himself admits that he pours on people and does not immerse them. I talked on the phone with a person in Florida who has met Michael Graves and he confirmed all the above.

Apostolic Canon 46 is enough to depose Met. Valentine

APOSTOLIC CANON XLVI
We order any Bishop or Presbyter, that has accepted any heretic’s baptism or sacrifice be deposed; for “what consonance has Christ with Belial? 66 or what part has the believer with an unbeliever?”

In addition this canon puts the last nail to it:

APOSTOLIC CANON L
If any Bishop or Presbyter does not perform three immersions in making one baptism, but only a single immersion that given into the death of the Lord, let him be deposed . For the Lord did not say, Baptize into my death, but, “Go you and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” (Matt. 28:19).

The root of the problem is that Met. VAlentine and his faction do not believe in the canons. They are of a different faith than the Orthodox.
For them the Canons are optional. For Abp. Gregory they are the words of life and the commandments of God.

It is that simple.

We listen to Christ our Savior: "If ye love me, keep my commandments". (John 14:15)

[Etienne]

So a strict upholder of the canons would never instruct a priest not concelebrate with the Serbs, and then when Patriarch Pavel complained about such a priest, that same strict upholder of the canons would not then reprimand the priest for not concelebrating with a Serbian priest; would he?

I hold no brief for either hierarch cited in this thread but am concerned about the intemperate posts. Accusations should, in the first place, be put before an ecclesiastical authority rather than appear here on a website surely? I have already made the comment but will repeat it, the evil one appears to have been very busy.

[Mykael]

Reader Jerjis:
Please forgive me for stepping into this; but I fail to see what you gain by exposeing the faults of others, possessing greater dignity and charism than yourself when they are not even able to defend themselves here.

I do not know any of the Hierarchs mentioned either. I have nothing to gain one way or another but I do have much to lose. To say "Met. Valentine has already been deposed in heaven because of his lawlessness. " is wrong and beyond our feeble ability to judge as It belongs to God alone. We are called to be peacemakers , let us "seek peace and pursue it." If you have an issue with Met. Valentine take it to him. By airing your greivence here you have placed a grave temptation before everyone reading this forum.

Please stop now before it is too late.

The unworthy servant of God
Mykael

[Liudmilla]

Amen! Amen and a resounding AMEN!

Thank you Mykael!,

Milla

[尼古拉前执事]

Please stop now before it is too late.

The unworthy servant of God
Mykael

ENOUGH! I now post as a moderator.

It is too late for him now to post here anymore. And not because he came and insulted me at my Café, not because he attacked the Russian Orthodox Autonomous Church, not because he attacked my priest.

He came only to attack and vilify people. He came to be like the Pharisee Jews and test and judge people in unChristian ways. While he was allowed more chances than he should to spread his beliefs, he also came and spread a lie which was proven to be a lie. They even falsified a police report! Whether he started the lie or those who told him to come here and post, I do not know, but when called on it, he did not apologize, ask forgiveness or even acknowledge being wrong, but changed his story and called others liars and kept making personal attacks. This forum is not about letting people freely making personal attacks on one another. This forum is not allowing people to knowingly spread lies.

When one finds they posted in error they should take correction and apologize in humbleness and meekness. One should not make up new stories contrary to the previous to try and claim victory for themselves. Our goal should not be prideful victory, but the Truth. Our goal should not vilifying but uplifting. Our goal should not to be like the pharisees, but to be humble and meek. We may fail, but if we do not try, we must expect consequences.

[Etienne]

AMEN, AMEN, AMEN

[romiosini]

Of course, Nickolai (I speak to you with priestly respect, and I ask your blessings of course) and Reader Jerjis, these are matters of course that shouldn't be of any importance to us. But of course, Father Nicholas recieving the great gift of Ordination, he has made himself part of the problem as being a priest. But from what I (and almost everyone here) read, there is no end to these problems. The best thing to do is to pray for spiritual peace to all those who are afflicted. Even pray for Metropolitan Valentine and Archbishop Gregory. I personally think it was overdone. (Even though, I don't know Masters Valentine and Gregory, I think the problems are very personal). And at these times, the devil makes his "move" to attack us, the faithful (whichever jurisdiction and similar situations. and manipulate our path to salvation. Of course this isn't my business, but as an Orthodox Christian (if you guys aknowledge me as one) it is my responsability to be compassionate to those who are afflicted with these sad problems. I send you all my sad "condolences" (It is as if someone died, because these issues became so severe, there were many prejudgements of others including priests, that it's like suicide of one's soul) for what happened, and I pray and hope for a better path in the Church.