Fr. Dionysi DID INDEED witness Fr. Vladimir's Ecumenism

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Fr. Dionysi DID INDEED witness Fr. Vladimir's Ecumenism

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Frs. Dionysi and Fotios DID INDEED witness Fr. Vladimir's Ecumenism

I have myself discussed the ecumenism of Fr.
Vladimr Shishkoff several times with Frs. Dionysi and Fotios. They
were the first to report to me the ecumenical practice of Fr.
Vladimir and the scandalous incident with Fr. Peter LaGruta.

On another note, it takes a Synod to suspend another bishop,... or it takes maybe a pope.
Met. Valentine has acted dishonorably like a bona fide pope.
By the strike of a pen with "Ukaz 130" he "suspended" Abp. Gregory only 2 weeks after he and the Synod elevated himo archbishop, when he himself was first put under accusation to the Synod by Abp. Gregory.

I am a witness to their testimony, many times over. Let God be my
judge.

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Bordering on the absurd.

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"Report" this to you? Are priests of the Church now subject to readers?

An email accusation isn't valid.... and the Synod gave Abp Gregory a week to speak. He said nothing.

He waited until he was a guaranteed schismatic to cause a schism.

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Re: Fr. Dionysi DID INDEED witness Fr. Vladimir's Ecumenism

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Reader Jerjis wrote:

Let God be my judge.

Yes, a good statement. But is appears as if you and those attached with (The Skete et al) would like to be the temporal judge here and now.

I was not a witness to any ecumenism. I did meet this father Peter, and have no idea as to if he is with us or if he was from some other place. I never did say he was part of the E.P. or did Fr. Fotios.

This was a LIE that was added by those up on the hill at the Skete.

You say that you have been a witness to so much including before the Metropolitan's visit, yet you were here a couple of days (most of it plotting against the metropolitan) and before that you were in Pennsylvania. This is not much of a witness but more of a yes man or as the Metropolitan ha stated a "puppet". This because he knew that you were using a Talmudic type of argument to trap him in something. He was not falling for it. In fact, after you left your failed attempt to make him "fall or stumble" you yourself said you were pleased with the answers. You were upset that he called you a "puppet" for being so willing to be used by our former bishop, but you were still satisfied.

This satisfaction was only changed, days after your return to Pennsylvania.

So, now that it is over and you have your very own bishop with his world wide Diocese, why not go on with you lives.

You do not think we are correct, our jurisdiction does not think your are correct and you and those with you have been separated. Move on to work out your salvation. Your posts seem to cause more eyebrows to be raised at yourselves, than at others.

Those on the hill or supposed to Schema monks who vow to reject the world and its cares. Yet, they spend hours on the internet and calling people to see what is being said about them. they get people like yourself to post for them (like the post of Fr. George's that you copied) so they can make it seem as if they are "out of the loop". Yet, they do read the Paradosis and other lists daily to see "what happens".

My own family is not left alone. They just sent an empty envelope to the house ( address service requested) so that can find out where we were moving to. So, my expense in legal counsel will continue for a while. I was told that the icon they gave me were now going to be billed to me. One thing after another. They can ot let things go. Even when Fr. Andrei tried to leave they (the Skete) tried to lock him into a room. If it was not for Fr. Nicholas, fr. Andrei may have "lost" up at the Skete never to been seen again. We were able to rescue him, but not all of his belongings. His Russian books, his personal belongings, and his children's pictures were kept by our former bishop as a last "gotcha". We tried to ask the police to help, but the Skete would not allow the police to enter. For civil matters the Police would not use force. We were called uncanonical sinful ect, for asking the police to help (civil authorities) but they themselves threaten me with civil litigation and a three day notice to get out of my own house (since our former bishop went against our oral contract and kept the deed) and continues to this day to harass.

I was asked to respond to this post (by others in the parish) and pray that I have not said more than I should. Many have asked about my "so called letter of complaint" against fr. Vladimir and asked for clarification. I tried to communicate much of this with Reader Jerjis privately, but only to be talked about all of this being a fulfillment of the Talmudic Protocols of the Elders of Zion and how WE (ROAC) are pawns in this International conspiracy and that he will not talk to me (or fr. Fotios) any more. So, I write this publicly hoping that he will at least read it and that others will my position on the so called "accusations".

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Thank you Father for your responce, you and your family have certainly been placed in a difficult position and I pray that God will help you resolve it all without to much needless expense.

At end of your statement, you wrote...
"I tried to communicate much of this with Reader Jerjis privately, but only to be talked about all of this being a fulfillment of the Talmudic Protocols of the Elders of Zion and how WE (ROAC) are pawns in this International conspiracy "

...to me this is just another example of the evil one winning, because he has allowed a fictional piece of junk to confuse the mind of an Orthodox person so that he accepts it as Gospel truth.

It is sad that this document to this day serve to confuse the Orthodox world!

Miriam

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Truly the evil one has sown and reaped a harvest. A Chinese friend once gave me some advice to apply when all about seems chaotic and troubling, "Be still, be nothing".

Maybe 'least said, soonest mended' would be a good approach..........

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Fr. Dionysi,

Your perfidity is astounding.
I will respond to your post item by item.

You witnessed Fr. Vladimir Shishkoff giving communion to Fr. Peter, who is not in ROAC and has never been received. This is on face value an in itself constitues ecumenism, by your own admition that this thing happened. You yourself told me how much you and Fotios were scandalized by this act. A later investigation has shown that he is Fr. Peter LaGruta, who used to belong to Paisius under Bartholomew.

I have witnessed things over the phone, in person and from the reports of several independant sources. I have witnessed in person Met. Valentine say "everyone is baptized today" and that "the world is a circle and God is in the center and everyone is coming from the periphery to the center". You were there and heard these same things too, even though you deny it to justify your betrayal and copmplete deception by Valentine. I immedaitely told Valentine that the circle is the Church and not the world. He asked me what is the Church. I replied it is made of those who believe in the orthodox faith and are baptised. Then he completely flabbergasted me by saying "everyone is baptized today". I told him immedaitely that the baptism of heretics does not count. Then he changed the subject to divert attention to his big Faux Pas and lectured us by going on a tirade for 15 to 20 minutes that the church is not the building but the people and that the bricks and mortar are the temple and not the Church, etc...bla bla bla.....I have witnessed myself Met. Valentine say that he does not believe in the internet and that ROAC has no official site in Russia, which is a lie. I have witnessed him dodging questions about Frs. Lourie, Elia, and Vladimir like a very skillful politician. I have witnessed his superstition (which is pagan) when he did not want to take a photo with me because he said " in Russia we say that if 2 have a picture side by side it means they will separate soon". He turned out to be a prophet!

I was never satisfied by his answers, and I didscussed his gaffe that "everyone is baptized today" with you several times, by you did not want to hear it.

My posts are with the purpose of neutralizing some of your lies.

You did not give your new address to Vladyka Gregory because you owe him rent and the icon bills, and because you stole all the furniture that was in his house which he bought for you, since you are bankrupt and cannot take a mortgage. Vladyka, myself, and many others including Gregory and Katherine Charnisky have helped beyond anyone's imagination, but sadly you fell into the seduction of a skilled ex-MP bureacrat who bestowed on you 3 major awards for the 3 years you were a priest: purple klobuk, gold cross, and now the title of archpriest. How wonderful and nice of him!! What a joke. These are ususally earned by a priest over a lifetime of service. The title of archpriest is bestowed usually after 15 to 20 years of priesthood. Met. Valentine is very savvy and has exploited your weakness and passions to the utmost. This is very sad.

No one tried to lock Fr. Andrei in a room. He, yourself, and pseudo-deacon Nicholas showed up un-announced at Dormition Skete like a gang of thugs and threatened to call the police (which you did); this is anti-canonical and against common descency. When Fr. Andrei was tonsured a monk all his belongings became the property of the Skete. This is what the canons say. It is very simple. They were kind to him and gave him back his clothes and his computer, which they did not have to do. They also let him keep his car, which also had become the property of the Skete according to the Canons. They helped him so much and even got him a golfcart for his transportation because of his bad knee, and he turned on them and stabbed them in the back, like you did. Why? Because hewas promissed to be a pseudo-bishop.

Your hallucination about the Talmudic Protocols is astounding and mind-boggling indeed. You are actually referring and twisting your own legalizations. In a phone conversation with you, I told you that Vladyka Gregory suspended you for one day because he asked you to go home instead of bringing the police back to the Skete. You answered "I did go home". I replied that, yes you EVENTUALLY went home AFTER you had come back with the police. I rebuked you that your manner of talking to me was legalistic and talmudic, and I said "I wonder if all apostates turn legalistic like the papists and talmudic like the jews".

May God have mercy on your soul, on Matushka Christina, and on your family, which you have lied to and deceived.

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Post by Daniel »

Reader Jerjis wrote:

Your perfidity is astounding.

Perfidy to whom? Gregory?

You witnessed Fr. Vladimir Shishkoff giving communion to Fr. Peter, who is not in ROAC and has never been received. This is on face value an in itself constitues ecumenism

You have a excessively strict definition of 'Ecumenism', I'm afraid.

I have witnessed things over the phone, in person and from the reports of several independant sources

Giving incredibly scandelous nature of this whole mess second/third/forth hand accounts have absolutely no value (though I might entertain fifth hand account).

I have witnessed in person Met. Valentine say "everyone is baptized today" and that "the world is a circle and God is in the center and everyone is coming from the periphery to the center". You were there and heard these same things too, even though you deny it to justify your betrayal and copmplete deception by Valentine. I immedaitely told Valentine that the circle is the Church and not the world. He asked me what is the Church. I replied it is made of those who believe in the orthodox faith and are baptised. Then he completely flabbergasted me by saying "everyone is baptized today". I told him immedaitely that the baptism of heretics does not count. Then he changed the subject to divert attention to his big Faux Pas and lectured us by going on a tirade for 15 to 20 minutes that the church is not the building but the people and that the bricks and mortar are the temple and not the Church, etc...bla bla bla.....I have witnessed myself Met. Valentine say that he does not believe in the internet and that ROAC has no official site in Russia, which is a lie. I have witnessed him dodging questions about Frs. Lourie, Elia, and Vladimir like a very skillful politician. I have witnessed his superstition (which is pagan) when he did not want to take a photo with me because he said " in Russia we say that if 2 have a picture side by side it means they will separate soon". He turned out to be a prophet!

Any possibility that you might have taken something out of context?

My posts are with the purpose of neutralizing some of your lies.

Your acrimony is doing a wonder job at this.

and because you stole all the furniture that was in his house which he bought for you

Uh...read that sentence again. You said the furniture was bought FOR Fr. Dionysi. This implies that it was a gift and therefore can't be theft.

Met. Valentine is very savvy and has exploited your weakness and passions to the utmost.

Change the name to B. Gregory and this charge could made against you. This is very sad.

Jerjis,
Your above post has got to be the most offensive one I have ever read on this sight. You're taking a pretty personally matter and making if painfully public. NO ONE needs to know the financial matters of Fr. Dionysi and his family. The only reason to mention this is SPITE.

Do you, Jerjis, understand judging a tree by it's fruit? In this whole ridiculous situation I have seen two trees sprout and grow. One being Gregory and his supporters, and the other being M. Valentine and those faithfull to him. The fruit of Greg's tree is rotten and bitter and who's shade fills one with rancor. That of Valentine is longsuffering and patient. Which fruit should I eat? And don't give me some line about Val being a slick talking politician, because the same can be said of Greg.

Jerjis, please forgive me, but with all your posts to date you have been acting like a jerk. Why? Why be so attacking? Why not just let it go? Why not let people say things about Gregory and those with the Skete? Isn't there a Beatitude about being blessed when people say things falsely about you?

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