Discernment: A Discourse by Saint Moses the Black

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Discernment: A Discourse by Saint Moses the Black

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From an AIM chat session with Archimandrite George that I recorded with permission:

Discernment is something extremely important for us. Discernment is the knowledge of the will of God is all circumstances and times. This type of knowledge is given not to the intelligent, but to the humble.

Saint Moses the Black gave a long discourse on discernment, showing examples of monastics who most pitiably fell into prelest, that is to say, demonic deception, because they lacked discernment. Here is one lamentable story.

Once there was a monk well known to the Fathers in Scetis who had spent decades in asceticism.

He was so strict in his observance, that he would not exit his cell ever, not even on Pascha.

He also fasted very, very strictly, eating only a small amount of food at given intervals with some small amount of water.

Well, this monk fell prey to the results of guiding himself in the spiritual life.

Rather than humble himself and become just like the other monks, he insisted on carving out his own path. This without fail leads to disaster.

Eventually a demon started to come to him in the form of an angel. Because he had been duped in his thoughts, he did not have the strength to resist the temptation with his eyes and ears, so he began listening to the devil

After so many visions and wondrous sights, the man was completely tricked.

Finally, the devil came to him and told him that in order to show to all just how holy and righteous he was, he should go and jump down a certain well.

Supposing he would emerge without injury as a testament to his sanctity, the monk actually did this.

With great effort the brethren rescued him from this extremely deep well. But the grievous thing is that not even after suffering this did he repent. After three days he died, justifying his actions.

The fathers were hardly able to prevail upon St. Paphnutios to bury him with the fathers, since what he had done was so close to suicide.

This type of catastrophe befalls a man because he insists on carving out his own path, rather than ask for the advice of those experienced in the spiritual life.

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How does one know when he is humble enough?

How does one know that what he takes for discernment is not likewise the product of prelest?

How does one know whether or not he has chosen a spiritual father who is not leading him astray?

If one has a vision or a visit from what appears to be an angel, or Mother Mary, or the Lord Himself, should he disregard or doubt it?

I mean, why would any of those persons appear to me?

Come to think of it, why would even the devil bother with me?

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Lucian wrote:

How does one know when he is humble enough?

Is there such a thing?

Lucian wrote:

How does one know that what he takes for discernment is not likewise the product of prelest?

If one takes one duties of knowing their faith, knowing the scriptures, knowing the teachings of the fathers and asks questions.

Lucian wrote:

How does one know whether or not he has chosen a spiritual father who is not leading him astray?

If one takes one duties of knowing their faith, knowing the scriptures, knowing the teachings of the fathers and asks questions.

Lucian wrote:

If one has a vision or a visit from what appears to be an angel, or Mother Mary, or the Lord Himself, should he disregard or doubt it?

The Holy Scriptures are clear on this, that we should doubt any apparition.

Lucian wrote:

I mean, why would any of those persons appear to me?

I cannot answer that.

Lucian wrote:

Come to think of it, why would even the devil bother with me?

Why not?

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I think the primary reason why this occurred was that the monk removed himself from interaction with the other monks and with guidance from his spiritual Father.

He would not come out of his cell, "even for Pascha"

When you remove yourself from your brothers and sisters in the Faith and decide that YOUR path to theosis is the ony one, then the evil one can easily trick you.

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Deacon Nikolai wrote:

The Holy Scriptures are clear on this, that we should doubt any apparition.

Do the Scriptures say we should doubt any apparition, or do they say we should not be quick to either dismiss them or accept them, but rather test them? My understanding, pending further information, is the latter.

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mor ephrem wrote:
Deacon Nikolai wrote:

The Holy Scriptures are clear on this, that we should doubt any apparition.

Do the Scriptures say we should doubt any apparition, or do they say we should not be quick to either dismiss them or accept them, but rather test them? My understanding, pending further information, is the latter.

Yes. "Test them" is what I have also read.

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I have read in the Fathers that, if we have a vision or see an apparition, we are to doubt it (because we should not think ourselves worthy of such a thing), but that we should test it and see. We should cross ourselves, say the Jesus Prayer, and question or in some other way test or try to verify the source of what we are seeing, before we try to get too involved in discussion or action. God will not be angry with us or withdraw a vision (if it is indeed from him) because we are being cautious. Even the Virgin Mary expressed doubts--not doubting that what was being foretold was possible, having doubts of another kind, and finding it beyond rational understanding. That's what I've read, at least.

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