From today's Vertograd: Holy Synod begins Abp Gregory case

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From today's Vertograd: Holy Synod begins Abp Gregory case

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Rough translation:

ARCHIERARCHICAL SYNOD OF ROAC HEARS COMPLAINTS OF CLERGYMEN AND LAYMEN OF THE RUSSIAN CHURCH CONCERNING CANONICAL INFRINGEMENTS OF ARCHBISHOP GREGORY OF COLORADO

"Vertograd", Suzdal: The Hierarchical Synod of the Russian Orthodox Church has begun hearing complaints on behalf of clergymen and laymen of the Russian Church and other True Orthodox Churches concerning initial violations on the part of The Most Reverend Archbishop Gregory (Abu-Assaly) of Denver and Colorado. A number of these complaints were transferred directly to the Chairman of the Hierarchical Synod, the Very Most Reverend Metropolitan Valentine during his visit to the USA, which ended this week. According to the by-laws and charter of the Russian Autonomous Chruch, the final decision on the validity of complaints to the bishop and about possible initial corrective measures is handled by the Sobor.

In the complaints, violations mentioned involve the reception of laymen from other True Orthodox Churches into the AROC, the holding of services outside the Colorado Diocese of AROC without the blessing of the local ruling Bishops, unreasonable [punishments] imposed upon the clergymen of the Colorado Diocese, and abnormally rigid practices of spiritual management.

According to decree of the ROAC's First-Hierarch, clergymen of the Colorado diocese are temporarily subject directly to the Hierarchical Synod. In the territory of the USA which are not included in the Colorado diocese, a Deanery for the ROAC was established, headed by Protopresbyters Vladimir Shishkoff, Administrator and Victor Melehov, Dean.

A rough and inaccurate translation by yours truly. I was a little unsure as to how to translate "preschenija".

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From Arbishop Gregory's perspective, it doesn't seem the Synod is considering his complaints which where made first against Met. Valentine (AFAIK).

CANON XXI OF THE HOLY AND FOURTH SYNOD OF CHALCEDON: CLERGYMEN and laymen bringing charges against bishops or clergymen are not to be received loosely and without examination, as accusers, but their own character shall first be investigated.

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Of they are!

Post by 尼古拉前执事 »

Actually they have been, they even started before they received the actual documents, it just was not mentioned in the article is all I guess.

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After reading another message from Colorado I thought I would make a few comments. I say this and ask this as a member of a synod who has seen all of these things, and fear I am about to see them all again. And I write this as a warning to anyone who is tempted to follow one whom the Lord has been most generous, but who appears ready to once again cause great scandal and destruction on the faithful.

For me and my Synod, he is just gregory.

By using the same method as Gregory and by applying exactness, one can prove that all the bishops of the Church at every moment in time are uncanonical. Clearly Gregory himself, the self-proclaimed pinnacle of canonical perfection is even uncanonical for invading the canonical territory of other bishops, departing other synods without release, for leveling charges in public against other members of the clergy, for lying and intentionally deceiving the flock of Christ, and for unbecoming and absolutely vulgar personal attacks against them. What an easy thing it is indeed to make these charges, and like gregory, am completley capable to defend them loudly, publicy, and expand on them until the end of my days.

Where Gregory utterly fails however is in his notion of the canons and what they mean. For him “canonical” is that which complies with the canons of the Church. But as it is with the administration of the canons, the Bishop becomes a simple representative of the entire faith together of which the canons are only a part. He is important not in himself, not as the charismatic bearer and guardian of “righteousness”, but as means of subordination to the Will of God. At no time can the canons carry any weight by themselves as if we can cite one or several canons to prove a Bishop is supposedly “uncanonical”, but they may only be taken in the context of the entire faith which has as a primary concern the unity and pastoral care of the flock: Christ said, Woe unto you priests who tend to the little things of the law but omit the weightier matters of the law; these He says, are blind guides who “strain out the gnat, and swallow a camel!” (Matt. 23:23—24). Therefore it is possible for something to be uncanonical in one situation and not in another. Orthodox is filled with antithesis.

I am not of course suggesting that the canons are impossible to understand or use as a guide. I am say that they can be very easily taken to an extreme, to the letter, and appear in the context of civil law which our rational minds always seem to gravitate.

So how are the faithful to be zealous in such a situation? Saint John Chrysostom replies: "And what if a (Bishop) is not good? Does that mean one does not have to be obedient to him? Not good in what sense? If it is in relation to faith [ie. heresy], then run from him.”

This does not refer hoever to the personal sins of a priest or even grossly uncanonical acts of a bishop. St. John Chrysostom writes that a believer suffers no detriment in the Mysteries, even if the priest who has celebrated them be extremely depraved. Personal sins and even canonical violations do not justify proclaiming other bishops as false. Sins can deprive a priest of salvation, but his service is performed within the Church and by a member of the Church. In the case of public heresy however, the service takes place outside the Church and outside the current of the grace of the Church, even though the priest's personal life may be virtuous. St. John did not just talk the talk, he walked the walk, literally to his death.

In 404 AD, a long list of the most ridiculous accusations was drawn up against St. John, as it is easy to accuse even the most righteous of saints. St. John the Chrysostom was "uncanonically", "unrighteously", and as a result of the most depraved acts of Orthodox Bishops, was deposed . And because he was loved by all the people, riots ensued in the streets causing damage to many buildings. A group of Bishops followed St. John and encouraged him to break with the violators of the canons and start his own synod. But saint John refused and said it did not matter what happened to him, the unity of the Church was much more important! He was then forced marched to exhaustion and death. The minority of bishops who for unity's sake and at the request of St. John deserted him were made to feel the guilt of having once been his supporter, being compelled to leave their sees and take other dioceses in the inhospitable regions of Thrace.

So which canons are those which are worthy to cause schism or even declare an entire Synod of Bishops fallen? And by whose measure do the faithful decide the legitimacy of rumors and hearsay of canonical violations, when a man calls for the tearing apart of Christ's Body His Church? This is what Gregory has done and appears ready to do again.

May the light of the Holy Fathers show the way!

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I was reading the response to the Ukase and cited many errors. some must be intentional such as this one:

Archbishop Gregory's past is very well known. It is not at all hidden. Archbishop Gregory was raised in the Antiochian Church in America. In 1965 when most of the Churches, including Antioch, lifted the anathema against the Roman Catholic Church, he left. Archbishop Gregory then joined the Russian Church Abroad and became a monk. He also became an Iconographer. In 1978 Archbishop Gregory started Dormition Skete in Colorado. By this time he was known as a very strict priest. After the ROCA apostatized in 1995, Archbishop Gregory went with the Genuine Orthodox Church [GOC]. In 2000 after a disagreement with one of the Bishops of the GOC, Archbishop Gregory joined with ROAC and was subsequently made a Bishop....

Clearly he entirely glossed over his loud and public accusations against certain members HTM, where he was a monk, not allowing it to be handled quietly and responsibly, but rather chose to create the biggest scandal possible, which eventually led to the well known schism of HOCNA.

Clearly he intentionaly "forgot" to mention his time under Archbishop Chyrosotomos II and the GOC of Greece, when he was in the process of verbally bludgeoning the Cyprianites at the level of name-calling (very embarrasing for us) and at the same time accusing several of our priests for various "canonical" infractions, and then found himself defaming the only other likely person to become bishop so that he might. Then "forgetting" to mention he was ecommunicated by our synod and then conducted his usual "scorched earth poilcy" against his.

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[from the GOC of Greece under Archbishop Chyrsostomos II]
Protocol No. 503

To the Very Rev. Archimandrite
Fr. Gregory George
Dormition Skete
Colorado, U.S.A.

Athens,
4/17 October, 1997

Your Very Reverence,

On October 3/16 October, 1997, the Holy Synod of the TOC of Greece announced its decision upon your case which was discussed during sessions of September 19 through October 2, 1997, at which you appeared and defended yourself concerning the charges of serious canonical violations which were made against you by Archimandrite Pavlos Stratigeas.

Your defense was adjudged inadequate, and the Holy Synod has decided to impose upon you cessation of communion, that is, you have been cut off from communion with our Church, and you have been placed outside of Her.

Therefore, you may no longer have or appear to have any relationship or
communion whatsoever with us. Further, if in the future you occasion any further involvement in our matters, have in mind that the Holy Synod reserves to itself the right to impose upon you even more severe corrective measures.

By order of the Holy Synod
Chief Secretary

SEAL [of the Holy Synod]

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It was only then that he joined the Lamians and soon was jockeying to become the bishop of America for them; when it was evident it would not happen and Met. Niphon was named for the job, he made many accusations against Met. Niphon and eventually left uncanonically without a release. I have been told they were preparing the papers to excommunicate him as well. The people who he calls canonical but who declared the Russian Church "dead" and have set up shop all over ROAC territory in Russia. No wonder why it is said Met. Valentine doesn't like Greeks!

You can see a great effort was placed into his response to Ukase 130. I suppose I would do the same. I just want to find the time to repond to some of his more outrageous claims, for the sake of Reader Jergis who may not be aware of Gregory's holy history.

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So, tell me. Why didn't you all see Gregory's PAST before? It was OBVIOULSY there for everyone ELSE to see.

It is time that you all stopped this nonsense and placed yourselves back under ROCOR or another True Orthodox Church.

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Post by Alexis in Alaska »

Slava Isusu Christu!

Lord, Bless!

Again, I do NOT care what Vladyka GREGORY has done or not done; he IS a gracious and kind Vladyka. I will never forget His Eminence's kind disposition toward me, a sinner.

Anathema :cry: to this slander and flesh eating diabolic communication.

Lord, Bless!

In Christ God,

Alexei

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