Prophesy of St. John of Shanghai - birth of the anti-christ

[joasia]

Tom,

Just a symbol? HA. The tri-lateral commission. BAH! Who do you think controls that?....

Ever hear of the Rothchilds??

Oh yeah, then there's the Federal Reserve. And the UN. Same controllers.

The star of david is an egyptian cult symbol. It has nothing to do with jews. The Rothchilds used it as a symbol for their cultic faith of cabal.

Now it's on a country's flag. Guess who owns that country. Give you a hint. The last name starts with an R.

Then there's the 13 families and the Protocols of the Zions.

So many Americans are in the dark. I think that we as Christians, should be aware of the control around us. Maybe we cannot effect much, because these powers are too strong, with the political scene. But, we can be aware of what is true and be prepared to recognize when we are being lied to.

If not, we will fall into the same catatonic state like many of the people in our society. I for one, do not look good when I am catatonic, so I will avoid that circumstance.

[viniamim]

Joasia wrote:
Then there is...the Protocols of the Zions

Joasia:

You should be more careful about the books you refer to . I know that this book is considered by many to be absolutely factual, but unfortunately it is not. It was written as an attempt to identify a scape goat for that period of time. The author of the book gleamed his information from the fictional works of many Western European writers of the so call "enlightenment". Such renown characters as Voltaire, Rousseau, Kant,Hegel and Marx. He presented his work as true fact. Historians have shown that the book is absolute fiction, they were able to trace where he got his information. Supposedly anyone well read in the above authors can spot the quotes immediately. The author drew from the most negative elements of the social democrates of the time. His ideas of regarding money and capitalism were drawn from the works of Marx and Engels. Funny that this work of fiction was so accepted amongst the Orthodox as a work of absolute truth.

There are better works for us to consider, such as the writings of the fathers, rather that a hatefilled work of fiction which is presented as truth.

Perhaps the world does not see the truth of Orthodoxy, because we ourselves to not live Orthodox lives and we do not speak the truth. I have long held that when the final judgement finally arrives we will find that we did not fullfill the task that Christ gave us, but rather we acconplished the task of the evil one.

Forgive me if this offends,
Ben

[joasia]

Viniamim,

Wasn't the Protocols a vision of all these authors? Their plots to control the world? Afterall, communism was based on their teachings and these teachings came from more ancient sources. The jews followed these socialist ideas and created a method of eventual control. That's the Protocols.

Are you saying this meeting of the Brothers of Zion never occurred? Because that would be the fiction. But, it's amazing how the world is falling under the same plots that were underlined so long ago, by these hateful freemasons(who all happened to be jews).

But, of course, I do read the saints. But, sometimes it's good to know our enemy. Otherwise, when it hits us, we will be in complete shock.

Perhaps the world does not see the truth of Orthodoxy, because we ourselves to not live Orthodox lives and we do not speak the truth.

This is true. The evil ones seem to be more ambitious than we are. For shame on us. But, Orthodoxy is the hidden flower under the snow. We see much snow, but then, one day, the flower will push through.

No offense taken.

In Christ, Joanna

[viniamim]

Joasia:

It is difficult to say whether or not that so called meeting ever really took place. If one considers how difficult it is for us Orthodox to come together and agree to the truth (and I mean all the various divisions and factions) how much more difficult it must be for all the various groups of Jewish life. The impossibility of it rather staggering, just as it is for us.

It is sad that so few so called enlightened men have had such a profound effect on society, while the teachings of the Church are continuously thrown by the way side.

Yes, it is good to know of the way of the enemy, but we must be careful not to inadvertantly propogate it's venom, especially if the propoganda is all built on lies anyway. Better to be a good example of Orthodoxy, rather that the perpetuator of hate.

Ben

[CGW]

Then there's the 13 families and the Protocols of the Zions.

The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion is a fraud perpetrated by the Russian secret police. Don't even bother to challenge me on this; look it up yourself. You are in the habit of spouting all these legends and conspiracy theories, and you need to learn to break down and check out some of the nonsense you are repeating. You've got a computer, after all.

[Sean]

I can only speak from my own experiences, and the same thing has been said, in differring ways, already in these last few posts, but here's my two cents:
I've been Orthodox for thirteen years now. Although I am a convert, I was baptized at age seventeen, so I've been in the Church all of my adult life, and I've spent two of those years living in monastic communities. I can say that, when members of the Church leave the world and fall out of touch with its goings-on (which is a good thing), one's preparation for ultimate things has fewer obvious distractions.
However, when preparing for the "end," monastic communities especially can embellish a very intricate folk eschatology, which is equally fascinating as it is distracting from one's spiritual life. I've heard at least three different versions of the St. John of Shanghai story; one which claimed Blessed Abp. Averky of Jordanville simultaneously said the same thing, on the other side of the country, and another which claimed that an Icon of the Most Holy Theotokos began to weep after this prophesy. I've heard stories that the antichrist will have talons on his digits, so that he will have to wear gloves, that there is a picture of his barmitzvah at the Wailing Wall in a Time/Life collection of photographs, that St. Philaret the Confessor saw the antichrist child and his mother in an automobile with the liscence plates containing the numbers 666, etc...
Being a new teenage convert, who already thought that he knew everything, this folk eschatology almost completely replaced my spiritual life, coupled with whatever bits of gossip I knew about this clergyman and that.
My point is that the Church teaches that the Apocalypse is coming, and that we need to attain the "One Thing Needful" to be ultimately delivered from the tribulations when they come, but to endlessly speculate on the particulars of how the end is going to come about, by piecing together obscure bits of hearsay that become more fabulous with each telling can easily distract us from working on our eternal salvation.

In Christ,

--Sean

[Schultz]

Am I really seeing the Protocols of the Elders of Zion rear its ugly head again? Ugh!

I suppose you probably own The Turner Diaries and subscribe to Resistance Magazine as well, Josaia? How worn out is your copy of Mein Kampf?