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An appeal from ROCA clergy

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An Appeal to the hierarchs, clergy and faithful children of
the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad

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We, members of the clergy of the Russian Orthodox Church
Abroad, appeal to our Synod of Bishops, the clergy and the
faithful.

With deep filial love and respect, we note with sorrow that
storms of doubt and confusion assail the Church. We know
that these storms are temporary and the Church will remain
firm and steadfast.

In order to allay the fears of the clergy and faithful who
may feel Isolated and alone in their confession of the
Faith, we feel it necessary to voice our concerns. In regard
to the proposed union with the Moscow Patriarchate, we have
several points that we ask the Synod of Bishops to consider.
Firstly, we must state that responsiveness to reconciliation
is essential.

There could be no greater joy than that the Orthodox people
of Russia and abroad should be united in truth. However,
there are major obstacles to reconciliation.

The issues that have always been considerations for the
Russian Orthodox Church Abroad are the glorifications of the
New Martyrs and the Royal Martyrs, and involvement in the
heresies of Ecumenism and Sergianism.

Also of serious consideration is the future role of the
American Metropolia, known as the Orthodox Church in
America. We are reminded that two resolutions, in 1971 as
well as 1990, declare that we do not recognize the
legitimacy of the elections, nor the actions, of the
patriarchs of Moscow since the time of the betrayal of
Metropolitan Sergius. These resolutions have never been
rescinded. We do not recognize the Moscow Patriarchate as
the ⌠Mother Church■ nor the legitimate heir to the Church of
St. Tikhon and the New Martyrs.

Some of these issues have been addressed, yet others remain
considerable obstacles that would preclude any intercommunion
or concelebration.

Prior to intercommunion the process should be genuine and
transparent. There must be not even the appearance of one
sidedness or even the appearance of machination.

Intercommunion is the result of one-mindedness; it does not
create one-mindedness. From the Divine Liturgy we are taught
to recite the Symbol of Faith before we are able to share in
the Divine Body and Blood of Christ.

It would be utterly impossible for us to share in the
Eucharistic Mysteries before there is complete unity of
Faith, in honesty and fidelity to the legacy of the Russian
Orthodox Church Abroad and Her God-granted mission to
preserve the Truth.

Archimandrite Alexis (St. Edward▓s Brotherhood)
Mitred Archpriest Vladimir Schlenew
Archpriest George Petrenko
Archpriest Gregory Williams
Archpriest Andrei Alexiev
Archpriest George Lapardin
Archpriest George Lagodich
Archpriest Basil Grisel
Priest Constantine Bussyguin
Priest Alexis Duncan
Priest George Primak
Priest Seraphim Stephens
Priest Vladimir Petrenko
Priest Mark Gilstrap
Hieromonk Theophylact (Clapper-DeWell)
Priest Anastasy Yatrelis
Priest Christo Kralstev
Priest John Moses
Priest Onuphry Keith
Priest Michael Metni
Protodeacon Basil Yakimov
Hierodeacon Sabbas (St. Edward▓s Brotherhood)
Deacon Eugene Braga
Deacon Kesarii Mortari
Deacon Anthony Bridges
Reader Benjamin Popov

apparently two clergy who originally signed were left off this list: Fr. Dmitry Wieber and Fr. Chad Williams. Others will sign on as well I'm sure.

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лШ, ВКЕМШ ЙКХПЮ пСЯЯЙНИ оПЮБНЯКЮБМНИ жЕПЙБХ гЮЦПЮМХЖЕИ,
ЯЛХПЕММН НАПЮЫЮЕЛЯЪ Й МЮЬЕЛС юПУХЕПЕИЯЙНЛС яХМНДС,
АПЮРЭЪЛ-ЯБЪЫЕММНЯКСФХРЕКЪЛ Х МЮЬЕИ АНЦНКЧАХБНИ ОЮЯРБЕ.

я ЦКСАНЙНИ ЯШМНБМЕИ КЧАНБЭЧ Х ОНВРЕМХЕЛ ЛШ, ЯЙНПАЪ, ДЕПГЮЕЛ
НАПЮРХРЭ БЮЬЕ БМХЛЮМХЕ МЮ АСПЧ ОНЛШЬКЕМХИ Х ЯЛСЫЕМХИ,
ЙНРНПЮЪ МШМЕ НУБЮРХКЮ МЮЬС жЕПЙНБЭ. оПХ ЩРНЛ ЛШ РБЕПДН
ЯНГМЮЕЛ, ВРН АСПЪ ЩРЮ МЕОПЕЛЕММН СРХУМЕР Х жЕПЙНБЭ МЮЬЮ
ЯНУПЮМХРЯЪ цНЯОНДНЛ ЖЕКЭМНИ Х МЕОНЙНКЕАХЛНИ.

фЕКЮЪ СЯОНЙНХРЭ ЯЕПДЖЮ РЕУ МЮЬХУ ЯБЪЫЕММХЙНБ Х ОЮЯНЛШУ,
ЙНРНПШЕ, Б МШМЕЬМХЕ ДМХ, АШРЭ ЛНФЕР, НЫСЫЮЧР ЯЕАЪ ОНЙХМСРШЛХ
Х НДХМНЙХЛХ Б ЯБНЕЛ ХЯОНБЕДЮМХХ бЕПШ, ЛШ ОНКЮЦЮЕЛ
МЕНАУНДХЛШЛ НРЙПШРН БШЯЙЮГЮРЭ РН, ВРН БЯЕУ МЮЯ РПЕБНФХР. б
ВЮЯРМНЯРХ, ЛШ УНРЕКХ АШ НАПЮРХРЭ БМХЛЮМХЕ МЮЬЕЦН
юПУХЕПЕИЯЙНЦН яХМНДЮ МЮ МЕЙНРНПШЕ БНОПНЯШ, ЯБЪГЮММШЕ Я
НАЯСФДЮЕЛНИ ЯЕЦНДМЪ ОПНАКЕЛНИ ЕДХМЕМХЪ Я жЕПЙНБЭЧ Б
нРЕВЕЯРБЕ.

оПЕФДЕ БЯЕЦН, ЛШ ЯВХРЮЕЛ МЕНАУНДХЛШЛ ГЮЛЕРХРЭ, ВРН ФХБНИ
НРЙКХЙ МЮ ОПХГШБ Й РЮЙНБНЛС ЕДХМЯРБС ХЛЕЕР ОЕПБННВЕПЕДМНЕ
ГМЮВЕМХЕ. вРН ЛНФЕР АШРЭ БШЬЕ РНИ ПЮДНЯРХ, ЙНЦДЮ
ОПЮБНЯКЮБМШЕ ПСЯЯЙХЕ КЧДХ, БН нРЕВЕЯРБЕ Х ПЮЯЯЕЪМХХ ЯСЫХЕ,
НАЗЕДХМЪРЯЪ Б бЕПЕ ХЯРХММНИ. нДМЮЙН ФЕ, ЕЫЕ МЕ СЯРПЮМЕМШ
ГМЮВХРЕКЭМШЕ ОПЕОЪРЯРБХЪ Й ВЮЕЛНЛС БЯЕЛХ МЮЛХ ЕДХМЯРБС.

дКЪ пСЯЯЙНИ оПЮБНЯКЮБМНИ жЕПЙБХ гЮЦПЮМХЖЕИ ЦКЮБМШЛХ
БНОПНЯЮЛХ, ЙНХ МЕНАУНДХЛН ПЮГПЕЬХРЭ МЮ ОСРХ Й БНЯЯНГДЮМХЧ
еДХМНИ пСЯЯЙНИ жЕПЙБХ, БЯЕЦДЮ НЯРЮБЮКХЯЭ: ОПНЯКЮБКЕМХЕ
мНБНЛСВЕМХЙНБ пНЯЯХИЯЙХУ Х яБЪРШУ жЮПЯРБЕММШУ лСВЕМХЙНБ,
БНБКЕВЕММНЯРЭ Б ЕПЕЯЭ ЩЙСЛЕМХГЛЮ, Ю РЮЙФЕ ОНДВХМЕМХЕ
жЕПЙНБМНИ ХЕПЮПУХХ ГКНИ БНКЕ АЕГАНФМНИ БКЮЯРХ, ХЛЕМСЕЛНЕ
╚ЯЕПЦХЮМЯРБНЛ╩.

мЕНАУНДХЛН РЮЙФЕ ЯН БЯЕИ ЯЕПЭЕГМНЯРЭЧ НАЯСДХРЭ БНОПНЯ Н
АСДСЫЕЛ юЛЕПХЙЮМЯЙНИ ЛХРПНОНКХХ, ХГБЕЯРМНИ ЙЮЙ оПЮБНЯКЮБМЮЪ
жЕПЙНБЭ юЛЕПХЙХ. нА ЩРНЛ МЮОНЛХМЮЧР МЮЛ ПЕЬЕМХЪ юПУХЕПЕИЯЙХУ
яНАНПНБ 1971 Х 1990 ЦНДНБ, ЦДЕ ОПЪЛН ЦНБНПХРЯЪ Н МЕОПХГМЮМХХ
ЙЮМНМХВМНЯРХ ХГАПЮМХЪ оЮРПХЮПУНБ лНЯЙНБЯЙХУ Х,
ЯННРБЕРЯРБЕММН, ДЕЪМХИ ХУ ЯН БПЕЛЕМХ АЕГВХМХИ, ДНОСЫЕММШУ
лХРПНОНКХРНЛ яЕПЦХЕЛ Б 1927 ЦНДС, мЮГБЮММШЕ ПЕЬЕМХЪ МХЙНЦДЮ
МЕ АШКХ НРЛЕМЕМШ.

лШ МЕ ЛНФЕЛ ПЮЯЯЛЮРПХБЮРЭ лНЯЙНБЯЙХИ оЮРПХЮПУЮР ЙЮЙ
╚лЮРЭ-жЕПЙНБЭ╩, ГЮЙНММСЧ МЮЯКЕДМХЖС яБ. оЮРПХЮПУЮ рХУНМЮ,
хЯОНБЕДМХЙЮ Х мНБНЛСВЕМХЙНБ пНЯЯХИЯЙХУ, ХАН ХЛЕМНБЮМХЕ
╚лЮРЭ-жЕПЙНБЭ╩ ОН ОПЮБС ОПХМЮДКЕФХР БЯЕИ ОНКМНРЕ пСЯЯЙНИ
жЕПЙБХ, ЕДХМЯРБН ЙНРНПНИ МЮЛ ЕЫЕ РНКЭЙН ОПЕДЯРНХР
БНЯЯРЮМНБХРЭ.

мЕЙНРНПШЕ ХГ ОЕПЕВХЯКЕММШУ МЮЛХ ОПНАКЕЛ АШКХ НАЯСФДЕМШ Х
ДЮФЕ МЮЬКХ ЯБНЕ ПЕЬЕМХЕ, НДМЮЙН ЛМНЦХЕ ХГ МХУ ДН ЯХУ ОНП
НЯРЮЧРЯЪ ЯСЫЕЯРБЕММШЛХ ОПЕОЪРЯРБХЪЛХ МЮ ОСРХ Й
еБУЮПХЯРХВЕЯЙНЛС Х КХРСПЦХВЕЯЙНЛС НАЫЕМХЧ (ЯНЯКСФЕМХЧ).

оПЕФДЕ ВЕЛ БНГЛНФМН АСДЕР МЮЛ ЯРЮРЭ ДНАПЕ Х ЯН ЯРПЮУНЛ С
ЕДХМНЦН оПЕЯРНКЮ, МЮЛ ОПЕДЯРНХР НВХЯРХРЭ ОСРЭ Й мЕЛС. нМ
ДНКФЕМ АШРЭ ОПЪЛ Х ЪЯЕМ. лЕФДС МЮЛХ, Б нРЕВЕЯРБЕ Х ПЮЯЯЕЪМХХ
ЯСЫХЛХ, МЕ ДНКФМН НЯРЮРЭЯЪ МХ ЛЮКЕИЬЕИ МЕДНЦНБНПЕММНЯРХ,
МХЙЮЙНЦН КСЙЮБЯРБЮ, МХ РЕМХ МЕВХЯРНИ ЯНБЕЯРХ.
еБУЮПХЯРХВЕЯЙНЕ НАЫЕМХЕ √ ЕЯРЭ ПЕГСКЭРЮР ЕДХМНЛШЯКХЪ, ЕЦН
СБЕМВЮМХЕ. мН РЮЙНБНЕ ЯНБЛЕЯРМНЕ СВЮЯРХЕ Б рПЮОЕГЕ цНЯОНДМЕИ
МЕ ЛНФЕР ЯЮЛН ОН ЯЕАЕ ОНПНДХРЭ ЕДХМНЛШЯКХЕ, ЕЯКХ ЛШ ДЕПГМЕЛ
ОПХЯРСОХРЭ Й МЕИ, МЕ АСДСВХ ЕДХМНЛШЯКХЕЛ ХЯОНБЕЛШ. мЕДЮПНЛ Б
ВХМЕ аНФЕЯРБЕММНИ кХРСПЦХХ ВРЕМХЕ яХЛБНКЮ бЕПШ ОПЕДЬЕЯРБСЕР
ОПХВЮЯРХЧ рЕКЮ Х йЙНБХ уПХЯРНБШУ.

дКЪ МЮЯ АШКН АШ ЯНБЕПЬЕММН МЕБНГЛНФМШЛ ЯНБЛЕЯРМНЕ СВЮЯРХЕ Б
ОПХМЪРХХ ЯРПЮЬМШУ уПХЯРНБШУ рЮХМ ОПЕФДЕ СЯРЮМНБКЕМХЪ ОНКМНЦН
ЕДХМЯРБЮ Б бЕПЕ, ВРН ДКЪ МЮЯ МЕНРДЕКХЛН НР ВХЯРНЯЕПДЕВМНИ
ОПЕДЮММНЯРХ АКЮЦНДЮРМНЛС МЮЯКЕДЯРБС пСЯЯЙНИ оПЮБНЯКЮБМНИ
жЕПЙБХ гЮЦПЮМХЖЕИ Х еЕ аНЦНДЮММНЛС ЯКСФЕМХЧ хЯРХМЕ
уПХЯРНБНИ.

юПУХЛЮМДПХР юКЕЙЯЕИ (лНМЮЯРШПЭ яБ. щДСЮПДЮ)
оПНРНХЕПЕИ цЕНПЦХИ оЕРПЕМЙН
оПНРНХЕПЕИ цПХЦНПХИ бХКЪЛЯ
оПНРНХЕПЕИ юМДПЕИ юКЕЙЯХЕБ
оПНРНХЕПЕИ цЕНПЦХИ кЮОЮПДХМ
оПНРНХЕПЕИ цЕНПЦХИ кЮЦНДХВ
оПНРНХЕПЕИ бЮЯХКХИ цПХЯЕК
хЕПЕИ йНМЯРЮМРХМЗ аСЯШЦХМЗ
хЕПЕИ юКЕЙЯЕИ дСМЙЮМ
хЕПЕИ цЕНПЦХИ оПХЛЮЙ
хЕПЕИ яЕПЮТХЛ яРХТЕМЯ
хЕПЕИ бКЮДХЛПЗ оЕРПЕМЙН
хЕПЕИ лЮПЙ цХКЯРПЮО
хЕПНЛНМЮУ тЕНТХКЮЙР (дФНПДЮМБХКК)
хЕПЕИ юМЮЯРЮЯХИ ъРПЕКХЯ
хЕПЕИ йПХЯРН йПЮКЭЖЕБЗ
хЕПЕИ хНЮММ лНЯЕЯ
хЕПЕИ нМСТПШИ йХТ
хЕПЕИ лХУЮХК лЕРМХ
оПНРНДХЮЙНМ бЮЯХКХИ ъЙХЛНБ
хЕПНДХЮЙНМ яЮББЮ (лНМЮЯРШПЭ яБ. щДСЮПДЮ)
дХЮЙНМЗ еБЦЕМХИ аПЮЦЮ
дХЮЙНМЗ йЕЯЮПХИ лНПРЮПХ
дХЮЙНМ юМРНМХИ аПХДФЕЯ
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ROCA Clergy appeal

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Finally!

After all these years!

Thank God for voices of reason!

May God grant you Fathers...

MANY YEARS!

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Amen, amen, amen

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Re: An appeal from ROCA clergy

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priestmark wrote:

It would be utterly impossible for us to share in the
Eucharistic Mysteries before there is complete unity of
Faith, in honesty and fidelity to the legacy of the Russian
Orthodox Church Abroad and Her God-granted mission to
preserve the Truth.

Why does not ROCA share the same FAITH?

Yes, they may not agree with the way the church was run during Soviet Era, but how is the FAITH different?

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They say that I am bad news. They say "Stay Away."

Justin Kissel

Post by Justin Kissel »

Father Mark,

I understand that you probably are not here to get into lengthy discussions, but if you have the time, I did have a question or two. I wholly support what was said (what you signed to) above. However, in the Great Lenten Clergy Conference from this past year, your name was attached to a document that included statements that I did not understand. If you have the time, perhaps you could clarify? In particular:

During the past few months some of our faithful have raised questions and fears concerning reconciliation. For many, however, when informed that the issue is neither "union," nor "subjugation" but rather mutual reconciliation--manifested by Eucharistic concelebration--the fears tend to disappear.

This seemed to me at the time to downplay the worries that many of us had. That's one reason I was very happy to see what you posted above. I'm curious, though, where you stand on this issue... or more accurately, where the faithful that you shepherd stand? Are they worried? Cautious? Optimistic?

We recognize that both the Russian Church Abroad and the Moscow Patriarchate are heirs of the historical Russian Orthodox Church.

This could be a trouble spot for some... and such language could even lead to a schism. :( But then, I guess if you tried to get explicit then one side or the other would object. What exactly does this mean, Father? Does this mean that ROCOR and the MP are now to be viewed as equally faithful and Orthodox throughout the last 80+ years? Or is this a topic that's too controversial too touch? I ask because this is one of my worries... that they will deal with the obvious issues (ecumenism, sergianism, etc.) but will leave the hot potatoes "to be resolved later". I understand wishing to trust Met. Laurus... but even St. Basil defended heretics at one point... I'm not judging Met. Laurus of course, just pointing out that it's good to get things straight before setting up communion and getting too cozy... am I wrong to say this?

Intercommunion among the laity has been the generally accepted de facto practice throughout our Church for many years, and we now hope for concelebration among the clergy as well. - Source

Would it be wrong of me to be scandalized by this? Am I just being a silly convert who has naive expectations (I ask seriously, I am not being sarcastic)?

Justin

PS. I'm sorry to "rain on the parade" here, I just wanted to ask you about this while you were watching, as it concerns me greatly. Perhaps you think that speaking on these issues will do more harm than good... I hope that you don't, though.

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Post by joasia »

Tom,

Do you have NO understanding about the struggles that ROCA went through these passed 80 years?

The struggle was very different. It's very important to make sure that all is right between the two before the union is made.

These clergy are voicing that concern.

Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me. (Ps. 50)

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