Archbishop GREGORY of Denver and Colorado

Alexis in Alaska · Post by **Alexis in Alaska** » Mon 5 July 2004 3:54 pm

Glory to Jesus Christ!

Lord, Bless!

Well, in all fairness post the Ukase in its entirity. This has become a public matter and in order to get clarity official docs need to be published.
If this Ukase is valid that is one thing, but if it is in retaliation, as Father George has stated, it is totally invalid. I would put the mental state of Met. Valentin in suspicion if he makes His Eminence Gregory Archbishop one week and suspends him the next; what the hell is going on? Some documented explainations better be forthcoming! I am quickly moving from a prayerful mindeset to another one very fast

In the Name of Jesus Christ I charge however has the official information to post it or we are all guilty of slander, malicious gossip, and reputation destroying. And for that matter this Forum should be immediately suspended until such time as it no longer becomes an occasion to grave sin.

Lord, Bless!

In Christ God,

Alexis

Грешник · Post by **Грешник** » Mon 5 July 2004 4:00 pm

Alexi,

You are of a small breed in America who are die-hard supporters of Bishop Gregory. I for one, used to be among your ranks. The thing of it is i would never put one bishop above the rest of the Synod. The bishop at the time of his elevation must make an oath to submit to the Synod. This is odd that all of this controvery is not of faith or of morals, but of who is with Bp. Gregory. There are 11 bishops outside of Gregory who make the governing decisions of the Synod of Bishops of the ROAC. This leaves 11 other pastors to be faithful to as well.

For those who do not care what Bp. Gregory did this is alright, but agaain, it seems odd to me that you would paint a picture of a man as if he were a pope where he was infallible. sadly that office is already taken, has been since 1972.

Alexis,

You say that one week the people of ROAC "were with Gregory" and now "we are not." Well yes, this is the case and no it is not. We are with Bp. Gregory in the fact that until such time as a SOBOR should take place he is still a bishop in the ROAC. We are not with him as in we, the parishes of the USA have petitioned the ROAC Synod to be under our Metropolitan and all have been accepted. Under this acceptance as well, odd to state, the Metropolitan has also taken the Skete and the Convent as well. "until such time as a decision can be made."

These posts are not intended (mine especially) as a slight against the Bishop. I have tried very hard ot keep personal attacks and gainsayings out of my posts for the simple fact, as you have stated, he still holds the rank of the Episcopacy, until the Synod has decided.

They have decided that he is suspended from all active duty, Liturgical or otherwise, and is constrained to his Monastery. This does not seem to have occured, but this too will be dealth with in time.

Just to make things even... During this SOBOR, the Metropolitan will also have to answer for the charges that Bishop Gregory has accused him of as well. This is not as many would say a witch hunt against one bishop this is the way in which ecclesiastical affairs in the Church are dealt with.

"In the way in which you judge you shall also be judged."

I think here we see the ways of mercy in the Church as well.

Грешник · Post by **Грешник** » Mon 5 July 2004 4:10 pm

May it be known to all of the members of this board that the following is true:

I, Juvenaly Martinka posted the Ukase #130 to the forum of The Euphrosynos Cafe."

It was not obtained illegally as I am a bsptized member of the ROAC Church.
There was no illegal activityy in he posting of the Ukase of the ROAC church. It was not stolen, it was not meant to malign it as meant to add fact to the suspicions of others.
I have already confessed to my priest that I felt it was wrong of my to post as I did not have his authority ot post it at the time that it was added to this website. I was told that it was alright that originally it was intended to be posted but that after a meeting of the priests it was decided that the Ukase be shared in miniscule and not in entirety t this time.
I was tol that there was no error or issue in my posting as there has been at the time no meeting to say that they thought it best ot not post it.

If there is anyone who feels that I am in error or that I should be punished for what I did pease speak forth. If you desire to see partd of the Ukase I can share them with you but can not post the entire Ukase at this time.

With my sincere apologies for making this matter worse.

Juvenaly

Alexis in Alaska · Post by **Alexis in Alaska** » Mon 5 July 2004 4:14 pm

Glory be to Jesus Christ!

Lord, Bless!

Juvenaly,

Archbishop Gregory has a place in my heart because he did not reject me because of my many personal sins and my past; he was a true shephard of souls and I can and will never forget that! When I expected judgement and condemnation I received love and great kindness from His Eminence; that means everything to me and requires me to defend His Eminence as a friend and as a lost sheep who was shown kindness by a great shepherd.
I cannot forget mercy and love. And I will not allow people to take cheap shots at a great hierarch and human being. As far as the papal comment is concerned: I left my papal sensibilities a long time ago. I don't care what Archbishop Gregory did because God forgives. If the Synod reduces His Eminence to a monk or a layperson I will NOT accept that. That is the most they could do. And if I were Archbishop Gregory I would be looking for another jurisdiction right about now. The hierarchs in Russia are acting kind-of loopy don't you think? It's all just wierd

Lord, Bless!

In Christ God,

Alexis

Alexis in Alaska · Post by **Alexis in Alaska** » Mon 5 July 2004 4:26 pm

Glory to Jesus Christ!

Lord, Bless!

Juvenaly,

Did I not say that I wanted to see the Ukase! And if you started this mess you should be healed in the Mystery of Repentance for it and receive a penance. This is upsetting to me because I was going to come into ROAC

I have never in my life seen such a scandal especially one that seems more like a village rooster fight than the lived experience of a Church of Christ. And for that matter Metropolitan Valentine should receive discipline by the Synod for His Excellency's unwise action of releasing information in such a loose manner et al. It seems that this has nothing to do with Christ and more to do with power. People accuse Archbishop Gregory of having power-issues. Hmmm... a bishop that goes to prisons to baptize convicts has power issues...that's a joke.

You need to get your priest on the phone because not only is damage control needed, but you and your gossip-mongering has prevented souls from entering your Church. SHAME!

May Christ our True God save us!

Lord, Bless!

In Christ God,

Alexis

Грешник · Post by **Грешник** » Mon 5 July 2004 4:26 pm

No Alexis

I believe they are acting as a Synod. As a collective group of Bishops and they are doing what tge Church requires when one of their own teaches error, slanders others, commits the sin of simony, bribes an official, as well as the ther things that were done, some in my presenxe here in Colorado. You see, the issue that many have is theat the only side of a person that they see is that of the internet persona that that person puts dorth for the world to see. This is where they do not have the whole picture.

I was baptized by Bp. Gregory in the Skete, I was crowned by Father Andrei in the Skete, I have seen the works of the Monastery and the words of the Bishop that ar enot made public. I have conversed with Father George both in the Skete and outside of. There are many things that are unknown about us all because we all have a life to live and we are all human. I have very personal connections to the Skete and have a lot of friends still at the Skete, there is a lot to losose in this situatin but that does not mean that we put our own elfare ahead of the will of the Church. We are called to suffer and to abandon the world and those whom we love who do not follow Christ and His Church.

As to my cpmment about the pope this was an accusation made by Bp. Gregroy to the Metropolitan himself.

I agree that ll of this will be settled in time, but I am not willing to leave the Church to follow a man, one single bishop until it can be proven without a doubt that all 11 other bishops of the Synod are teaching, holding to, accepting, or living in heresy. Until that time i will stay with my Bishops.

Грешник · Post by **Грешник** » Mon 5 July 2004 4:29 pm

Yes Alexi you are probably right.

I had done all of this before-hand.

I thank you for your kind words of encouragement.

Juvenaly