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Artemon wrote:

I was wondering Orthodox Christians when Xrictoc said (this is not the exact words he said) "I will allow the weeds to grow with the Weat" what was he meaning I was told he was meaning I will alow the heretics to multiply on earth before I return, is this somewhat true? :?

The reference is to the Parable of the Wheat and the Tares in Matthew 13:24-43.

My understanding is that "tares" do not necessarily refer to heretics but to baptized persons within the visible Church who are Christians in name only. Since we cannot see into any man's heart, we are not to try to uproot such persons but to encourage them in the faith. The Lord will judge at the Last Day.

I believe this is correct because the parable begins with, "The kingdom of heaven is like . . ." Heretics are not in the kingdom, so this parable cannot be about them. Also, the Enemy in the parable planted the tares in the Master's field. If "the Master's field" is the Church, the tares are probably not heretics, since heretics are outside the Church.

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Can you look up what the Church Fathers have written about this verse because "Blessed Theophylact" says it IS also heretics that Xrictoc is talking about!

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Artemon wrote:

Can you look up what the Church Fathers have written about this verse because "Blessed Theophylact" says it IS also heretics that Xrictoc is talking about!

I will try when I can.

Could you provide a quote and a source from the Blessed Theophylact for that interpretation?

I'm not saying it is wrong; I've just never heard it before.

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While I don't have enough time at the moment to look through the links myself, this page might be of some help in exploring what the Fathers and other early Christians saw in this passage...

http://www.textweek.com/mtlk/matt13b.htm

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I was thinking of a somewhat mathematical approach to the whole "one nature from two natures" slogan of the Anti-Chalcedonians, although I cannot claim to be a professional mathematician.

It seems to me that, since the Father and the Son share the same Divine Nature (with the Holy Spirit, too), we can say something like the following.

If we let a=the Divine Nature of the Logos and b=the Divine Nature of the Father, then a=b.

Now let c=Christ's human nature.

If, as the Anti-Chalcedonians assert, our Lord has one nature from two natures, then that is adding a+c to get a single composite nature that is the sum of the two.

However, if a=b, then a+c=b+c!

Has the Father acquired a human nature?

If not, then does the Son now possess a nature different from that of the Father and the Holy Spirit?

Clearly, since that is not the case, the union of the Divine and human natures of Christ has not produced a composite nature.

Since the Son is different from the Father not in nature but in hypostasis, the union of the Divine and human in Christ is to be found there, and the two natures must remain distinct, unmixed, and unconfused. They are inseparable at the hypostatic level in the One Person of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, but they are not a sum that produces a third nature that makes the Son's nature different from that of the Father and the Holy Spirit.

Although Anti-Chalcedonians protest that they do not confuse or mingle the two natures, how can that be true when they derive one nature for our Lord from two natures and say that "after the union it is impossible to speak of the two natures?"

If, as some of them protest, by nature they mean hypostasis, then they have the one Divine Hypostasis of Christ the Word as the sum of two other hypostases! If nature=hypostasis, what else can "one nature from two natures" mean?

Deriving the one composite Hypostasis of our Lord from two other hypostases is just what the Nestorians did!

I don't believe any other conclusions can be derived from the Anti-Chalcedonian phrase "one nature from two natures."

Now if that is not really what the Anti-Chalcedonians mean, why do they continue to say it?

Why not say, with St. Leo and the Council of Chalcedon, "one Hypostasis in two natures?"

That statement preserves the Orthodox doctrine of the inseparable union of the Divine and human in the One Person of Christ but maintains the distinction between the Divine Nature our Lord shares with the Father and the Holy Spirit - and which is impassible - and the human nature which our Lord shares with us.

Our Lord Jesus deifies our human nature in His Divine Person, but not by somehow altering the Divine Nature He shares with the Father and the Holy Spirit.

Is all that clear, or is it confusing?

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It's "The Eplanation By Blessed Theophlact's of The Holy Gospel according to St. Matthew"

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Mor Ephrem, Anastasios, et al.,

What do you make of OOD's arguments? If they are unpersuasive, can you explain why?

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