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If you were participating in the formation of an Orthodox community, what type of community would it be?

1) Reclusive, Amish-like, no modern conveniences, self-sufficient, agriculturally based, etc.

3
7%

2) Semi-reclusive, both farming & business, some modern conveniences, etc.

13
28%

3) Quiet (but not reclusive), normal modern conveniences, normal secular jobs permitted, etc.

15
33%

4) Missionary, all the normal modern conveniences, secular jobs permitted, etc.

9
20%

5) You are all crazy, this idea is a bad one.

2
4%

6) While the idea is workable, I couldn't possibly be involved.

4
9%
 
Total votes: 46

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Post by 尼古拉前执事 »

That and just having a community around a church is good too, but even more expensive. Somehow you need capital to make any of these work, although you could probably just sell wordly things for the Amish-style one.

As far as I know the Amish will let you live among them on their terms and you are expected to work like one of them and could leave for your own church services. If one were to build such a community, it would probably be the way to go, but as mentioned before, one would want the blessing on one's spiritual father before attempting any of this.

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Justin, you are going to be praying for a very long time for this to happen. If it is to happen, it would probably a group of people from ROCOR getting together. I highly doubt anyone from GOA or the AOA doing this, as the goal of many immigrants is to strike rich here and not to undertake monastic endevours.

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:D

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And to get logos to join us, you need to convince some single women to do it too Justin. :D

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Nicholas wrote:

And to get logos to join us, you need to convince some single women to do it too Justin. :D

Yes, that would certainly be helpful.

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I would suggest that, even if it were a more typical community, that we would have to do it on a smaller scale, overall. E.g., our houses could not be regular sized houses, there'd just be too much expense in that. Not everyone can afford to build a new 2,100 sq. foot home after all! And that would be after the land had been bought, which, if it was meant to support an entire community, would cost a pretty expensive (though not, IMO, unrealistic, if all base members contributed towards attaining the land). This will be expensive, but then, those who would participate in this would be essentially making an investment in their future: this is where they would be spending their future, and living, and worshipping.

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What a fantastic idea! I almost can't believe that you guys are actually seriously considering this.

There is a Roman Catholic religious order, the Society of Saint John, which is considering this sort of thing itself. I think they are planning something on a greater scale than what you guys are thinking about, but they've written a lot of stuff about it, and so I think reading what they've got would be beneficial to all here, and would generate further positive discussion.

http://www.ssjohn.org/community/city.html

Enjoy!

I really do hope this idea goes places, and does not simply remain a single thread on this forum. I have a feeling there are others out there who have thought of this at one point, as I did. Hopefully, it will become a reality. God bless! /\

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I sense a hint of romanticism here. People have always yearned for a purer time. No era is perfect and every era thinks that their forefathers had it easier and was more devout and had better families, etc.

In addition to the problems noted with Amish youth, many of the Amish communities are running out of farmland. A farm can only be divided so many times before it loses its value. You need enough land to make it economically worthwhile to farm. So younger sons are having to move far away to purchase land or take up non-farming occupations. The concern is that if many Amish are not farmers then the community may not be able to sustains it traditions.

I think a better model than the Amish are the Ultra-Orthodox Jews. They don't shun modern technology but avoid television and movies. They dress distinctively to separate themselves from the rest of society. They have to live in the same neighborhoods because they can't drive on saturday. IMHO, it would be beneficial to live within a close community within the larger community. To live in a neighborhood so your children can play with other children in the community and other adults besides their parents as role models. And if the church was very close by it would easy to attend more services.

I think Christianity has always taken what's good in the general society; philosophy or technology or folk customs, etc. and uses them to preach the Gospel. Of course things that are tainted with paganism should be excluded. But technology itself cannot be 'tainted.'

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