Collaborators Hooked by the KGB?

[хорист]

I thought you were in a Ukrainian Church not the MP for some reason.

Of course ROAC did not translate this, it was translated at the Paradosis list and I posted it because I thought it was interesting and would cause discussion. It had nothing to do with ROAC. I did not post it as a representative of ROAC. But you tried to use it to attack ROAC. As for your observations, you must have failed to observe that our Metropolitan has been here since Anti-Pascha and so I think we have a pretty good idea as to what is going on. Personally I have been talking to him on an almost daily basis. When he is not here, our Archbishop speaks with the bishops in Russia at least once a week. Of course that does not fit it with those that want to see a cut-off.

Finally, please advise me where I can find a listing of the east coast parishes you mention. Other than that of Fr. Vladimir Shishkoff, where are they?

There are a few at http://www.ROACAmerica.org and at the Paradosis list there was mention of 3 more joining.

I am in ROCOR. The article specifically names our Bp Kyrill and Fr. Peter Perekrestov as embarking on a course of sacrilege. I am not saying it was written or translated by ROAC. However, were I to post an article of a similar nature regarding ROAC there would be quite an outcry. My simple comments caused to you react in the way you did. ROAC is obviously unblemished and cannot be criticized as ROCOR and everyone else can. Maybe I could give my idea a trial by digging up and posting some dirt about ROAC? No, that's not my style.

I am aware that Met. Valentine in in Colorado recovering from surgery. (In fact, I had asked for updates on his condition a few weeks ago elsewhere on this list.) But that is not the point about the disconnect. Every day thousands of words are posted on Russian sites with many, many views and you do not have access to them. The Metropolitan gives you only a limited look. Maybe with Fr. Andrew the world will open up.

As for parishes in the East, on the site I see only listings for PA and VA. Fr. Vladimir's parish is not even there. I didn't notice anything on Paradosis about 3 parishes joining. Where was that?

[Chrysostomos]

I guess the "real" question to ask is, why was this article posted
here in the first place. What were you trying to accomplish by
posting it?

[尼古拉前执事]

I guess the "real" question to ask is, why was this article posted here in the first place. What were you trying to accomplish by posting it?

Because I thought it might bring about discussion. It looks like I was right!

[PFC Nektarios]

The organization still exists, but it has a new name now.

Yea an Intelligence Agency exists. Who Cares? We have one big deal?
Do you really think that Russia is a communist nation still? Why would the now Democratic nation of Russia give a flying hell about the Orthodox Church?

Here is a fun little fact, The Russian KGB officially ceased to exist on November 6, 1991. The Komitet Gosudarstvennoi Bezopasnosti does not exist any more. Its not under another name it doesnt exist, just like communist russia doesnt exist! The only thing that does exist is a Russian Intelligence Agency just like our American Central Intelligence agency or Great Britians MI-5/MI-6 Germanys GSG-9, its just a foreign intelligence agency the same thing as ours. How paranoid can you be to believe that the Russian goverment is still persecuting the church under a communist regime. You should be put into a mental institution if you still believe this.

http://www.fsb.ru/

In Christ
Nektarios :ohvey:

[Natasha]

The "democratic nation of Russia" thing gave me a good little laugh.

[TomS]

Democracy in Russia only exists if you STILL follow the "Party Line"

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Russia's top talk show host fired for Chechnya report
Posted: 10:32 PM (Manila Time) | Jun. 02, 2004
Agence France-Presse

MOSCOW -- One of Russia's star political talk show hosts was fired overnight Wednesday after going public with news that the government put pressure on his network to kill a controversial interview linked to Chechnya.

Some journalists and rights activists said Leonid Parfyonov's dismissal from NTV television marked the latest chapter in the Kremlin's battle to control media coverage since President Vladimir Putin first came to power four years ago.

Parfyonov was apparently sacked and his Sunday Namedni talk show cancelled for revealing that his bosses received orders from the government to pull an interview with the widow of former Chechen president Zelimkhan Yandarbiyev.

http://www.inq7.net/wnw/2004/jun/03/wnw_5-1.htm

[OrthodoxyOrDeath]

Yea an Intelligence Agency exists. Who Cares? We have one big deal?
Do you really think that Russia is a communist nation still? Why would the now Democratic nation of Russia give a flying hell about the Orthodox Church?

Nektarios,

Judas betrayed Christ once. He did not continue betraying him through action but only once. It was always open for him to repent, every minute of every day. Yet he has always been considered as outside the Church, not only because of his betrayal, but because he refused to repent.

The same is for the MP. Besides the fact that we cannot speak of apostolic succesion any longer (or was Judas still an Apostle of Christ able to bestow Apostlic Succession?), we recognize their estangement from the Church as a result of a lack of repentance.

ROCOR was not a Green Peace style organization simply there to protest the existence of the KGB or the Communists. True, the KGB got a facelift and is now the FSB. And true, the Communists are not in power any longer. But this has nothing to do with the MP's lack of repentence.

And if they would repent of their denials of Christ and his Church, then it would be very easy for us to speak of the Grace of God.

But what has happened and is happening is not the MP's repentence, far from it, they seem very proud of their past; what we see is the ROCOR ignoring everything simply because the communists are not in power any longer - they are in essence declaring that all of this time they have been nothing more than the "lucky" part of the Church who out of convenience made loud accusations.

Well then, I beg the question, if this is true, then how come the ROCOR was never in communion with "world orthodoxy"? Oh I know, someone will mention the Serbs which I would disagree, but for the sake of the point, why were they not in communion with everyone unconditionally all this time, and only now caving?