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Collaborators Hooked by the KGB?

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By Nikolai Kazantsev from the Paradosis list:

COLLABORATORS HOOKED BY THE KGB?

In their fanatical striving to convince the[ir] flock of the necessity for
uniting with Moscow, Bishop Kyrill of San Francisco and Protopriest Peter
Perekrestov have embarked upon a course of absolute sacrilege. They claim
that such a union is justified by Saint Ioann Maksimovitch and even that
their own volte-face today can be credited to the Saintly hierarch of Shanghai!

In actual fact, however, one cannot discover the slightest hint at the
permissibility of collaboration with the Moscow Patriarchate in even a
single sentence of all that has been written by St. Ioann. He was -- as are
we all -- for the merging-together of the believers in Russia and Abroad
into a single entity, but this was in no way to be achieved by means of
compromise with a Patriarchate headed by KGB collaborators! And even had he
spoken of uniting, still, nowhere [in his writings] can one find any
indication that it must, of necessity, occur in December 2003 or, let us
say, in January 2004!

Why is it, we might ask, that these collaborators -- who only yesterday
stigmatized the Patriarchate for [its] sergianism and ecumenism -- are
suddenly in such a rush? They race along at breakneck speed, gritting their
teeth, hurry, hurry, -- give us union this very day! Is it not out of a
desire to catch both clergy and flock unawares? To set a fait-accompli
before them?

One gets the impression that someone is relentlessly pushing the
collaborators, that someone is putting pressure upon them. That someone is
«using the archpastors in order to achieve one's one political aims,» as
the 14 priests wrote in their appeal. But, who? Most likely, it would seem
that it is the KGB -- today's FSB.

First of all, in an interview [given to] «Blagovestnik» -- the same issue
in which Ioann of Shanghai was posthumously numbered among the Red saints
-- Bishop Kyrill concedes that the initiative for the meeting between
Metropolitan Lavr and Putin came from a certain Archimandrite Tikhon. The
hierarch diffidently omits the mention of his surname, of course,... and
the reason for this is clear: Tikhon Shevkunov is notorious in Russia as
«the Archimandrite from Lubianka», the most prominent KGB operative in the
ecclesiastical sphere.

And as for Putin himself, everyone knows which government sector he was
hatched from. And he transferred a significant part of the Kremlin's powers
to the special services [division], in order to control the country with a
rod of iron. He removed the robber Khodorkovsky not for his predations but
with the aim of consolidating his own personal authority. Fifty percent of
the RF's income stems from oil revenues, after all. So, there was no way
that he [Putin] could allow them to be in someone else's hands!

Everything is quite tight and tidy between Putin and the leadership of the
Moscow Patriarchate -- men from his own department. But then there is the
Church Abroad -- an eyesore, if ever there was one. It, too, has to be
taken in hand. By what means? Well, in that department the agents of the
NKVD-KGB-FSB are past masters! Had they not found the means to turn General
Skoblin of the White Army into a traitor? They had. They had discovered the
way to access his weaknesses. There are some people who can be bought,
while others can be successfully blackmailed: capture, let us say,
something indecent on film, and then threaten them.

But even if none of the collaborators have been «hooked» by the KGB (which
is extremely difficult to believe) but, rather, have turned Red,
«ideologically speaking,» they nevertheless are acting dishonestly: let
them depart [into the MP] themselves, if they wish, but they also attempt
to turn over others, those not of like mind with them, to the chekists!

Those fighting for the immediacy of concessions [to the MP] are doing a
deed most foul. They know that if they persist in what they are doing,
there will be a schism -- and a schism would also benefit the KGB...

So let them all -- all those bishops who are repenting before secret
collaborators and all the various Turncoat protopriests -- also know that
their names will go down in history as the names of traitors.

==============================================

Translated by G. Spruksts from the Russian text published in 2740, 22
November 2003 of «Nasha Strana - The Russian Monarchist Weekly» («Following
the fall of bol'shevism, only a Tsar' will save Russia from new party
enslavement.»)

[The original Russian text of this article can be found on the worldwide
web at:

http://nashastrana.narod.ru/unia/kryuchok.htm.]

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Man, this article has been kicking around since November. :roll: Of course, those in the "Russian" Automonous church of Colorado had to wait for the holy translator, AGeos, to put in into Murrican for them.

Lies, slander, deceit. And kind of late.

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Hrm. I posted it as it was just posted today. But good for you to take my posting of it to try and attack the Church I am a member of. :roll:

Most of our Church is in Russia do I wonder why you use quotation marks around "Russian". Plus as you should know our east coast parishes are full of people that speak Russian (as do their priests) and many that are even from Russia. At Dormition Skete, currently there is only one Russian speaker, but is this a reason to attack ROAC? I think not.

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Does the ROAC still think the KGB is in existance?

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Nicholas wrote:

Hrm. I posted it as it was just posted today. But good for you to take my posting of it to try and attack the Church I am a member of. :roll:

Most of our Church is in Russia do I wonder why you use quotation marks around "Russian". Plus as you should know our east coast parishes are full of people that speak Russian (as do their priests) and many that are even from Russia. At Dormition Skete, currently there is only one Russian speaker, but is this a reason to attack ROAC? I think not.

Well, it's hard for me to see how your posting of a November 2003 article, one full of unsubstantiated innuendo concerning clergy whom I consider friends, was meant otherwise than as an attack on the church of which I am a member. But that's OK, I guess. On this list one can freely promote conspiracy theories and attack all the heretics in "World Orthodoxy" in a smug way, but when the shoe's on the other foot ...

As for the part of my comments re Russian, I am not alone in observing that the lack of Russian at Dormition Skete is a factor in its being cut off from the real undercurrents in your own church and in what is happening among believers in Russia in general. Selective translation of certain inflammatory articles presents a skewed picture.

Finally, please advise me where I can find a listing of the east coast parishes you mention. Other than that of Fr. Vladimir Shishkoff, where are they?

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Nektarios wrote:

Does the ROAC still think the KGB is in existance?

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The organization still exists, but it has a new name now.

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хорист wrote:

Well, it's hard for me to see how your posting of a November 2003 article, one full of unsubstantiated innuendo concerning clergy whom I consider friends, was meant otherwise than as an attack on the church of which I am a member. But that's OK, I guess.

I thought you were in a Ukrainian Church not the MP for some reason.

хорист wrote:

As for the part of my comments re Russian, I am not alone in observing that the lack of Russian at Dormition Skete is a factor in its being cut off from the real undercurrents in your own church and in what is happening among believers in Russia in general. Selective translation of certain inflammatory articles presents a skewed picture.

Of course ROAC did not translate this, it was translated at the Paradosis list and I posted it because I thought it was interesting and would cause discussion. It had nothing to do with ROAC. I did not post it as a representative of ROAC. But you tried to use it to attack ROAC. As for your observations, you must have failed to observe that our Metropolitan has been here since Anti-Pascha and so I think we have a pretty good idea as to what is going on. Personally I have been talking to him on an almost daily basis. When he is not here, our Archbishop speaks with the bishops in Russia at least once a week. Of course that does not fit it with those that want to see a cut-off.

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Finally, please advise me where I can find a listing of the east coast parishes you mention. Other than that of Fr. Vladimir Shishkoff, where are they?

There are a few at http://www.ROACAmerica.org and at the Paradosis list there was mention of 3 more joining.

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