When did ROCOR end its communion with the Florantine Synod? And when did they come into Communion with they Cyprianite Synod and why did they change between the to Synods in Resistance?
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When did ROCOR end its communion with the Florantine Synod?
From what I understand, the GOC ceased communion in late '94 or early '95. There is some disagreement about this, though (some say it was much earlier, and that it was ROCOR who broke communion).
And when did they come into Communion with they Cyprianite Synod
In mid-94 (I think they announced it a couple months after the first concelebration). They entered into communion with the Bulgarian and Romanian Old Calendarists shortly before that.
As an aside, I just realised something. Shortly after they established communion with Cyprian, ROCOR established communion with Met. Cyprian and other Russian hierarchs. Thinking this through, I guess technically, some time in late 1994, Met. Cyprian's synod, the Bulgarian and Romanian Old Calendarists, Archbp. Chrysostomos II's synod, and ROAC were all in communion with ROCOR (or, at least, none of those groups had formally, publically, broken communion). Add to that the fact that ROCOR (or some in ROCOR) say that they were in communion with the Serbs and JP at that time, and that particular time becomes quite a strange thing to view from hindsight!
and why did they change between the to Synods in Resistance?
That's what I've been asking for a while now. 
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ROCOR was in communion with the TOC of Romania since 1992 which has always been in communion with Met. Cyprian, and Archbishop Mark of Germany had been concelebrating with both the TOC's of Romania and Cyprian since then. Hence the 1994 union was the result of a bottom-up movement.
It seems to me that the ROCOR broke communion with the Florinite Synods in 1979 over the issue of the consecrations of two rival synods. However, intercommunion continued with all Florinite groups. In 1994, the GOC suspended communion with ROCOR over Cyprian, however. ROCOR has continued to commune GOC folks though.
In 1996 the GOC in America was a part of ROCOR for about 3 months until there were some issues "back home" in Greece.
I know this is not going to suprise anyone but after having read almost every back issue of Orthodox Tradition (the TOC magazine which is not available in back issues but which we have at the SVS library), I have come to the conclusion that the ROCOR-TOC union was the most logical since both hold the same ecclesiology. I have also come to the conclusion that only the Cyprian group has the correct ecclesiology out of the Florinites. While I prefer on the personal level the folks at St Markella's GOC and St Irene's (formerly GOC now New Calendarist) Cathedrals and find the "ethnics" to be more natural than the hypersensitive Etna group (the TOC's in America), I find that among the GOC's there is unbridled economic corruption and constant tension. Met Cyrpian's group has avoided all of this--but only I think because that Synod is so tightly tied to the person of Metropolitan Cyprian. Plus they are so small that they are able to maintain this homogeny.
I am not trying to offend anyone but am merely offering some observations. Please correct me if I have spoken any mistruths.
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Nektarios,
Cyprianites are Florinites; they are a variety of Florinite.
Metropolitan Cyprian teaches that New Calendarists, while in error, still have grace. The other Synods, both Florinite and Matthewite, deny the grace of New Calendarists.
The difference between Florinite and Matthewite is more complicated and one I will not have time to get into right now.
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