ROCOR Delegation Prepares to Leave For Moscow

bogoliubtsy · Post by **bogoliubtsy** » Sat 8 May 2004 11:32 pm

A Delegation of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia headed by
His Eminence Metropolitan Laurus will depart for Russia on May 13

His Eminence Archbishop Kyrill of San Francisco and Western America will arrive in New York on May12, along with most of the members of the delegation living in the USA, and will depart for Russia with His Eminence Metropolitan Laurus. A service of supplication will be performed at the Synodal Cathedral on 13 May, after which His Eminence Vladyka Laurus will speak to the participants of the delegation on their trip. His Eminence will be accompanied from New York by the following:

His Eminence Archbishop Kyrill; Mitred Protopriest George Larin, Secretary of the Eastern American Diocese; Protopriest Stefan Pavlenko, Rector of the Church of All Russian Saints in Burlingame, CA; Protopriest Alexander Lebedeff, Rector of Holy Transfiguration Cathedral in Los Angeles; Protopriest Peter Perekrestov, Senior Priest of the Cathedral of the Mother of God "Joy of All Who Sorrow" in San Francisco; Hegumen George (Schaefer) of Holy Trinity Monastery; Priest Serafim Gan of the Cathedral of Our Lady of the Sign at the Synod of Bishops in New York; Priest Gregory Joyce of the Diocese of Chicago and Detroit; Priest Paul Ivanov of Holy Trinity Monastery; Protodeacon Eugene Burbelo, the eldest protodeacon of the Russian Church Abroad (ordained by Metropolitan Anastassy of blessed memory in 1955) and Protodeacon Victor Lokhmatov of Holy Trinity Monastery; Sub-deacon Eugene Kallaur, Reader Eugene Grigoriak and Reader Nicholas Olhovsky, the cell-attendant of Vladyka.

Arriving in Moscow separately and joining the delegation on May 14 will be His Eminence Archbishop Mark of Berlin, Germany and Great Britain and other members of the delegation including: Protopriest Nikolai Artemoff, Secretary of the German Diocese; Protopriest Pavel Tsvetkoff, Senior Priest of the Geneva Cathedral of the Elevation of the Cross; Protopriest Vladimir Malchenko, Rector of Holy Trinity Cathedral in Toronto; Protopriest Gabriel Makarov, Rector of St. Nicholas Cathedral in Brisbaine, Australia; and Protopriest Peter Holodny, Treasurer of the Synod of Bishops.

God willing, His Eminence Metropolitan Laurus will arrive in Moscow on May 14 at 1 pm. During the first days of his visit, His Eminence and his delegation will visit the holy sites of the Moscow area, including Holy Trinity-St. Sergius Lavra, and a meeting with His Holiness Patriarch Alexy II of Moscow and the members of the Holy Synod of the Moscow Patriarchate will be held on May 18.

From May 20, the delegation will visit holy sites in St. Petersburg, Ekaterinburg, Nizhny Novgorod oblast' and Kursk.

PFC Nektarios · Post by **PFC Nektarios** » Sun 9 May 2004 1:24 am

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I am going to visit the Mosocow Patriarchate Parish in San Diego, CA. Tommorow.

In Christ
Nektarios

Nektarios14 · Post by **Nektarios14** » Sun 9 May 2004 2:29 pm

Your ecclesiology gets more bizarre each time you post. You'll go to a MP church which granted the OCA its Autocephaly - yet the OCA remains schismatic to you.....but the monophysite communing Antiochians are still fine as is ROCOR, despite the former considering the latter to be schismatics?

PFC Nektarios · Post by **PFC Nektarios** » Sun 9 May 2004 8:16 pm

The MP is Orthodox, The OCA is Orthodox, Monophysites do not communion with Antichoians, I contacted individal monophysite dicocese about this and they said absolutley not. I never called the OCA Schismatic, I just said, I find there "autocephelous" status false. I dont know here you pulled schsmatic from. ROCOR and the MP are going into communion with each other so I dont have a problem with the MP or ROCOR, since they will be eventually one church again. A ROCOR Hieromonk was the one who told me to be recieved into Orthodoxy through this indiviual Antiochian Parish. So obviously ROCOR believes that the Antiochians are Orthodox also. I dont really see the confusion.
Since the MP, OCA, Anticohians and ROCOR are all Orthodox, I really dont have the confusion you do.

Justin Kissel · Post by **Justin Kissel** » Mon 10 May 2004 1:17 pm

Monophysites do not communion with Antichoians

I don't understand how you can say that. You might as well say "all Orthodox Christians fast, I contacted some monks who said so". It's just incorrect, it doesn't matter how many people you have contacted. I have seen non-chalcedonians communed with my own eyes. At two seperate parishes. I have spoken to people at these parishes and, yes, they are indeed non-chalcedonians and they are indeed communed. One priest told me quite freely that he allows a non-chalcedonian family to commune at his church because the family didn't want to go through the hassel of getting their kids up and ready and driving an hour and a half to one of their own churches.

PFC Nektarios · Post by **PFC Nektarios** » Mon 10 May 2004 6:26 pm

Then that priest should be put under canonical suspension. My priest says yes it does happen, that some priests do this, BUT they are not supposed to do this. I know there are priest in every juris who commune some one who they are not supposed to, not a real suprise. Yes contacting the diocese to get the offical answer from the source does matter. Offically there not in communion.

And if you have really seen and talked to a priest (antiochian) who freely admits communeing monophysites as you supposedly have told me, then PM me the parish and the priests name and I will find out for me self.

Nektarios

Mor Ephrem · Post by **Mor Ephrem** » Mon 10 May 2004 6:31 pm

Officially, they are not in communion; this much is true, Nektarios. However, the implicit conclusions which can be drawn from the Agreement between the Greek and Syrian Orthodox Patriarchates in Antioch are something which I presume you would not approve of. I would like to hear your critique of this high level agreement between your patriarch and my patriarch (mind you, while I agree with most of it, there are elements which I am very much against).