Interesting thoughts from a ROCOR priest.

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He was at Holy Transfiguration Monastery of Boston when it was part of ROCOR and then went to Holy Trinity Monastery in Jordanville and then Archbishop Vitaly's Saint Seraphim of Sarov Monastery in Montreal until given a blessing (by Archbishop Andrew, Archbishop Seraphim and Bishop Constantine) to leave to start a skete. he was ordained by Bishop Alypy. he remained in constant communications with all of these bishops for his 31 years in ROCA and with some even after he left ROCA.

Father Andrei, was catechized by Archbishop Averky. He was Archbishop Andrew's cell attendant. Vladyka Andrew instructed him in the Russian language, pastoral and dogmatic theology, and prepared him for the priesthood. Vladika Andrei sent him to Metropolitan Philaret for his examinations, which he passed. he was ordained to the diaconate by Bishop Gregory Grabbe and ordained as a priest by Saint Philaret.

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One thing I've realized working in a high-school for the past year: Some students just aren't going to get "it", no matter how much you try to teach them. In fact, there are former ROCOR members who, having studied under the greats, gave up on Orthodoxy all-together. The passions and temptations (whether physical, emotional, or mental) exist until death. My point is, the vast majority or ROCOR's older clergy who trained at Jordanville and therefore acquired an understanding of ROCOR and the way the Church works, are still in the Church Abroad. This should tell us something. How many of the older clergy have left for ROAC, four?

Read Fr. Alexander's post again. I can't say it any better than he

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My point is, the vast majority or ROCOR's older clergy who trained at Jordanville and therefore acquired an understanding of ROCOR and the way the Church works, are still in the Church Abroad.

Could you give me the exact number of clergy who trained there and the number of those clergy that are still in the ROCOR please? Especially since the implication seems to be that the majority is right.

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My point is, the vast majority or ROCOR's older clergy who trained at Jordanville and therefore acquired an understanding of ROCOR and the way the Church works, are still in the Church Abroad.

Could you give me the exact number of clergy who trained there and the number of those clergy that are still in the ROCOR please?

Do you want me to tire out my hands? Let's make it simpler. Give me the number of ROAC clergy who trained there. That should be easier.

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You said "the vast majority", so I just want the numbers. You would have to know the numbers to make such a statement.

Oops looks like I edited my post to add to it just as you posted. Sorry about that!

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Especially since the implication seems to be that the majority is right.

The implication is that the majority who had intensive seminary training and studied under ROCOR's more well known bishops, priests, and professors are still in the Church Abroad and are for having dialogue with Moscow.

Do I need to contact Russky Pastor's mailing list people or the seminary for names, then check them up against the current list of ROCOR clergy? I don't believe I do. Fr. Alexander's list kind of works as a cross-section or case-study of sorts. If ROAC has 3 clergy members who were formerly ROCOR clergy, and in this thread you can see at least a dozen who trained at Jordanville are still ROCOR...that's enough evidence to prove the point relevent to this topic.

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You said "the vast majority", so I just want the numbers. You would have to know the numbers to make such a statement.

If they're not in ROCOR they're either, for the most part in ROAC, ROCiE, HOCNA, or "World Orthodoxy". I think it would be easier to count the number of ex-ROCOR clergymen trained at Jordanville in these jurisdictions than to count the number who aren't. Counting the ones in these four categories would be pretty easy, actually...and would leave us with a vast majority remaining in ROCOR.