Who without change did become a man and was crucified for us.
This is exactly what we Orthodox sing at Liturgy, Nektarios.
OrthodoxLearner wrote:I was speaking of his Natures Human and Divine.
I will exalt You, O my Lord, the King, the Only-begotten Son and the Word of the heavenly Father, Who, by Your nature, are immortal. You accepted, by Your grace, and came down for the life and salvation of mankind, and did become incarnate of the holy, glorious and pure Virgin, Mother of God, Mary. Who without change did become a man and was crucified for us. O Christ our God, Who by Your death trampled our death and destroyed it. You Who are One of the Holy Trinity, and are worshiped and glorified in unity with Your Father and Your Holy Spirit, have compassion on us all.
Kinda hints to his so called one divine nature that you guys believe in. Speaking of one when there is actually two. Maybe Ive got things wrong but thats how I see it, unless I stand corrected.
In Christ
Nektarios
This is an interesting criticism, and I give you credit for coming up with this one. Of course, in the version of this hymn which you sing, you too call Him "Immortal". And just as you affirm that He became Man and was crucified for us, so also we believe and confess. The content of the hymn is summarised thus by http://www.fatheralexander.org/booklets ... urgy_e.htm:
This hymn sets forth the Orthodox teaching on the Second Person of the Trinity, the Son of God, Jesus Christ. He is the Only-begotten (one in essence) Son and Word of God, Christ God, Who, being immortal, became man, without ceasing to be God, and accepted a human body from the Holy Theotokos and ever-Virgin Mary. By His crucifixion, He with His death conquered death, "trampling down death by death," as one of the three Persons of the Holy Trinity, and is glorified equally with the Father and Holy Spirit.
It's an Orthodox hymn, and with regard to the phrase in our version which you singled out, it can be and is interpreted in an Orthodox manner. But I am going to try and look into this particular point further.
"So called one divine nature"? That is not something we believe in. But I don't know what I could say to "correct" you, when you don't even really want my input on this.
I certainly believe the case against the monophysites has been sufficiently proven on this forum; one only has to look through the relavent threads.
And where in those threads are all the defenders of monophysitism like we see them all finally gathered here, if Nektarios were a diver he would need a shark cage.
OrthodoxyOrDeath wrote:Your mother bakes you a great big chocolate cake and serves it to you. But just when you are about to take a big bite, your little sister (or whom ever) informs you that your mother baked a terd in it. You of course give it back to your mother and refuse to eat it.
No I don't. Who would be stupid enough to trust a little sister under such circumstances?
Little sisters serve as an excellent simile for controversialist clerics.