Episcopalian church give pets "Holy Communion" WTH

[尼古拉前执事]

Oh New Skete.

Here are some quotes on New Skete from another thread

"I did not become orthodox to leave the false Roman church for the true Orthodox Church... For me the Orthodox and Roman churches, together with the various non-Chalcedoninan churches, these are all the one, true, apostolic, catholic churches of Jesus Christ... The sacraments in these churches, the priesthood, the basic doctrines, are essentially the same..."

From the newsletter by Abbot Laurence of New Skete, the largest OCA monastery in America.

(New Skete has icons of) Fr. Alexander Schmemann, Dorthody Day, some post-schism pope ...

I agree with the New Skete=New Age New Ostrog. Married monastics? Novus Ordoized Liturgy? Sheesh!

[Joseph D]

Pure gold, Nicholas. I am still a dog lover though.

And just a side note about New Skete: The best GSD breeders in the country do not work with them. Not the highest work drive in show lines, you see. And their training manual originally contained a dominance exercise called the "alpha-roll", a retraction of which appears in the latest edition... In short, one need not become a dog to train a dog. Also, they recommend an exercise involving walking the dog with a car,which is really not a great idea either.

However, I nonetheless recommend their two training manuals as important reading, especailly for those who never really considered how elaborate a creature is the dog. God created something fine in dogs, making them very superior to other beasts, though their survival and success depends entirely upon the provision and love of a human master.

(Note to cat people: A cat can go ferel and fend entirely for itself within days of estrangement from humanity; whereas a dog is capable of dying just from lonliness. Your cat does not need you, but your dog needs you terribly. Which one is locked outside because you think that is where he belongs?)

I think I will take one of mine for a walk right now.

Sincerely:
Joseph

PS I accidentally posted this at the link the first time.

[Reader Michael]

I do not believe that anyone there should be excommincated, or that the temple ought to be reconsecrated because some companion dogs (a technical term meaning more than "pet") were in it

On another forum
From: Michael Ossorgin ossorgin@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: Re: Dogs, etc.

[...] but have you read the service
from the Trebnik? It deals with dogs, not cats, horses or 'animals' in
general.

All animals entering a temple will not require the service, but
absolutely a dog requires it. Please show me where I'm mistaken... I
have two dogs so I'm not against them, however I think to allow them in
the temple is not only a real reach, but also the service must be
performed, even if they happen to enter by mistake!

The canons don't deal with absolutely every situation and require
quidance, but the service exists and was/is used.

In Christ, Reader Michael

[Joseph D]

Dear Reader Michael:

Pleased to meet you!

If I am not mistaken, although I am usually, the Trebnik is a cleansing ritual, which does not presuppose that the temple be made wholly useless by the entrance of a K-9 companion or seeing eye dog.

Just curious, is the Trebnik only a Russian ceremony or is there also a Greek equivalent? I ask because the Greeks are willing to suppose that heaven may have some animals there, yet the Russians refuse the notion altogether.

Sincerely:
Joseph

[尼古拉前执事]

http://www.theconservativevoice.com/art ... ml?id=8749
News & Commentary
By Matt C. Abbott
Attorney: homosexual priest gave dog Communion
October 05, 2005 12:00 AM EST

In what seems to be one of the worst – if not the worst – archdiocese in terms of the presence of non-celibate homosexual clergy, the saga of Miami whistle-blowing priest Andrew Dowgiert continues.

The following is the most recent (edited) update from Father Dowgiert’s attorney, Sharon Bourassa:

“We met with the canon lawyer on September 30 for four hours. He came in from Rome and is considered to be one of the best. We gave him all we have and he was shocked by the bigger picture of what is going on in our archdiocese.

“He has asked that we present him with a report of everything [Bourassa’s private investigator] has uncovered on the sexual and financial improprieties of the local clergy: homosexual activity, stealing, drugs, parties, and an incident in which the Sacred Host was given to a homosexual priest's dog at a Mass with other homosexual priests. [Bourassa was informed of that particular incident by an archdiocesan official.]

“We have the Pink Mafia under our noses in this entire archdiocese. We need to stop being blind. Good priests are leaving or are so oppressed that they can't stand it anymore. Their names and what they know will be provided to the Vatican.”

Watch this column for future updates on Father Dowgiert’s case and the goings-on in the Archdiocese of Miami.

Sharon Bourassa can be reached at WinandSharon@[no spam]aol.com.

Related links:

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/abbott/050918

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/abbott/050907

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/abbott/050521

(Matt C. Abbott is a Catholic journalist and commentator. He is a columnist for and/or contributor to TheConservativeVoice.com, RenewAmerica.us, MichNews.com, Catholic.org, Opeds.com and Speroforum.com. He is also an occasional contributor to "The Wanderer" Catholic newspaper. He can be reached at mattcabbott@hotmail.com.)

[DavidHawthorne]

It was with a great sigh of relief that I read the article was in error about animals being given Holy Communion (even though it isn't really the Body and Blood- the idea that they would give what they believed to be the Eucharist to animals was shocking.)No doubt they are heading in that direction.
I was interested to read the canons on not allowing beasts in church but I thought cats were allowed to live in church's to keep rodents out? Is that mistaken?
In any event, the canons should guide us on what to do in this situation rather than sentimentality.
On a humorous note: my wife asked me recently why cats were allowed in church but not dogs (she is a cat person and I favor dogs). My response: "Because dogs are already perfect while cats still need a lot of work."
And the inimitable Groucho Marx: "Outside of a dog, a book is probably man's best friend; inside of a dog it's too dark to read."

David Hawthorne

[Ebor]

Since the story that is reviving this old thread is not, in fact, about anything to do with the Episcopal Church, one wonders why it was tacked on rather then as a new thread with a title that reflected the true situation.

Ebor