Moderator: Mark Templet
CGW wrote:
"But at the same time, one by one, the proponents of ROAC pull up stakes and reappear in Colorado Springs. What am I to make of the curious development?"
maybe they are gonna build one of them thar compounds! buy some guns! and then buddy, any of them dang heretics come around-POW! they'll get it good, right where they deserve it! yuk yuk yuk
maybe i could get a country song out of this!
mwoerl
or maybe they don't worship mammon and the world and prefer rather to be near a Church and able to attend services regularly.
Nicholas Zollars
mammon worshippers, huh? whoa-what a zinger! dude, im just rollin'! hey-what would the fans of the good ole csa think of all this? i guess as long as you didnt consort with -um- you know-those people-itd be ok, huh?
mwoerl
NicholasZollars wrote:or maybe they don't worship mammon and the world and prefer rather to be near a Church and able to attend services regularly.
You know, Joe, every time you say something like this, it's going to come down to the same thing:
"And yet you are still in Kansas."
Not that I think that you should do it, but you have not abandoned your education and your internet connection to emigrate to Colorado. We've been around this same exchange several times, and nothing changes. You are still a catechumen, and you're still hundreds of miles from a parish, and you are still making a lot of ostensibly high-minded statements that are at odds with your own personal situation.
Christ said' "Go out into the world," and yet ROAC seems to say, "Come to Colorado." Doesn't this strike you as even a little odd?
my situation of staying in Kansas cannot be helped at the point. Iwas hoping to delay this announcement until later, but I will, if all goes as planned, be moving to Colorado at the end of May or first of June. This is the first I can afford to move to colorado, and even then will most likely be moving my self via the Greyhound bus services/hitchiking.
As I have said before (and you seem to keep forgetting) do not look at my pitiful example as an example par exellance of how one should live.
As for your last statement Keble, all I can say is you betray your ignorance of the ROAC more than anything else.
And as long as we are pointing out dichotomies in action, it was you who have continuously (and rightly) said that if someone were to convert to Holy Orthodoxy through theROAC that one should live near a ROAC Church. Now you are complaining because people are doing just that. What sheer lunacy.
Nicholas Zollars
mwoerl wrote:mammon worshippers, huh? whoa-what a zinger! dude, im just rollin'! hey-what would the fans of the good ole csa think of all this? i guess as long as you didnt consort with -um- you know-those people-itd be ok, huh?
mwoerl
again, assumptions get you nowhere. I usually prefer not to talk about my Southron (yes that is the correct spelling from the ante-bellum south) heretige and culture on this board, but since you brought it up......
I would point out that General Robert Edward Lee freed the slaves he inherited from his father in law at great personal expense to himself. The expense came because, unlike Lincoln, Sherman and the other blue devils, he didn't freel the slaves hoping they'd all get out of sight. He gave each slave family a tract of land, built them a house, and gave them a mule and a plow. That may not sound like a lot, but back then that was a good deal of money. Notice this is not a sharecropping system, designed to continue the oppression of the former slaves. Lee was not obligated to do this, but felt it his Christian duty to do so (he was an Episcoplean).
General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson did the same. In fact freed slaves often chose to ride with his brigade and fight for him. He was a Presbyterian Minister.
Now I am not particularly agreeing with all the religious sentiments of these folks, but it hardly fits to even sarcastically call them mamon worshipers.
Of course this would be an apt description of those that invaded the south. At the time of Secession the south was making up some 80 percent of the tax base for the US. Federal Budget (which was completely financed by tariffs at this time). When the South seceeded, the north was upset (obviously) but why? because they were loosing their precious money. NOt only were they loosing the south's tax money, but new england mercantilists lost the cotton from the south (which started selling to England almost exlusively) and the money from the Lucrative slave trade (which made more than a few new england families quite wealthy).
Nicholas Zollars
NicholasZollars wrote:As for your last statement Keble, all I can say is you betray your ignorance of the ROAC more than anything else.
I do not think it is my ignorance that is at fault here, but rather ROAC's apparent obscurity. After all, in this latter day one can start from the the Episcopal Church's website and navigate to diocesan websites and other lists that identify every single parish, mission, and ministry in the country, with addresses and phone numbers. There is even a national directory of clergy.
In contrast, the ROAC website in this country hardly identifies any such institutions, and from a geographical perspective the move of St. Basil's represents a consolidation and not a gain. Let me be frank: I won't count a single catechumen sitting in his room with his prayerbook as a mission, and nobody who follows episcopal polity should be counting that way either. Recently, the heritage of such people is that they move to Colorado. This is not the historical heritage of mission-- not in any church.
And as long as we are pointing out dichotomies in action, it was you who have continuously (and rightly) said that if someone were to convert to Holy Orthodoxy through theROAC that one should live near a ROAC Church. Now you are complaining because people are doing just that. What sheer lunacy.
That is a distortion of what I said. As it is, a relocation as the consummation of one's catechumate is hardly what I had in mind. In your personal case, Joe, I suspect that your move to Colorado would be shortly followed by one of the abrupt dislocations which have characterized your religious history as you relate it to us. This anticipated dislocation is why I think such a long-distance catechumenate is unwise.
