Fasting

The practice of living the life in Christ: fasting, vigil lamps, head-coverings, family life, icon corners, and other forms of Orthopraxy. All Forum Rules apply.


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Nicholas wrote:

Well now that we have the liberal protestant response from Tom, shellfish were not considered animals because they have no backbone and this is why worms and other bugs are allowed during a fast.

Now, now Nick. You know that I am Orthodox. You might mot agree with my practice of Orthodoxy under the GOA, but I am not a liberal protestant. :ohvey:

When did these fasting rules first become a parrt of the Orthodox Church (i.e. in a Canon or some other document related to the LAITY (not to how a monk should live))?

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Nicholas wrote:
Well now that we have the liberal protestant response from Tom, shellfish were not considered animals because they have no backbone and this is why worms and other bugs are allowed during a fast.

Wow Nicholas, it was like you were reading my mind :lol:

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TomΣ wrote:

When did these fasting rules first become a parrt of the Orthodox Church (i.e. in a Canon or some other document related to the LAITY (not to how a monk should live))?

My guess is that it happened after the 4th century when Orthodoxy was hi-jacked and turned into another arm of the State. Along with the laity adopting "monastic piety", as the so-called "highest form of Christian life", they also began to accept the "cult of saints" and the "cult of relics" which came to overshadow the true meaning of Christian worship-- the Eucharistic Banquet. Now that we're aware of this 4th century deviation and realize that Orthodox has been a "mystery cult" for 1600 years, we can correct it through liturgical archaeology and a rediscovering of the real meaning of Christian worship and practice. This is the only way to overcome our current crisis.

8) :P

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TomΣ wrote:
anastasios wrote:

Actually, Tom, it's because shellfish were cheap and abundant in the Mediterreanean area and so fasting by eating them saved money which was used to give to the poor.

anastasios

So then, the purpose of fasting is economics based? So this means that there is no real reason not to eat read meat, just eat a cheaper cut on fasting days?

Tom

There is a good reason not to eat red meat: because the Church says so. 8)

The church does make allowances for other cultures; the Eskimoes for instance are permitted foods that others would not normally be allowed to Greeks during Lent becuase their health is at risk if they do not have enough stored fat.

I think both Nicholas and my reasons were both in the thinking of the Fathers. You are not to eat an animal, but you are also to eat cheaply. Therefore, I would say Tom that yes, you should go without meat anyway and focus on vegetables, and no we should not be eating shrimp and lobster (unless it is on sale for instance) during a fast because that would defeat the other purpose of fasting, which is to free up money for almsgiving.

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TomΣ wrote:

not to how a monk should live?

mmmmm...Shrimp

Yeah, I was told we can eat them because they have no back-bone. But, unfortunately I still can't eat them otherwise I will die...well...my throat/mouth will swell up anyway :( .

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Peter,

This is my understanding also. The more I read about the history of the Orthodox Church, the more I see an evolution of legalistic rules which have no bearing on my salvation.

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Umm... I was just joking around. :|

Sorry for the confusion.

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