Greek Orthodox Church leader calls Turks 'barbarians'

Feel free to tell our little section of the Internet why you're right. Forum rules apply.


Post Reply
User avatar
Natasha
Sr Member
Posts: 517
Joined: Sat 22 March 2003 2:52 pm

Greek Orthodox Church leader calls Turks 'barbarians'

Post by Natasha »

Greek Orthodox Church leader calls Turks 'barbarians' unworthy of EU membership


ATHENS, Greece, Dec 04, 2003
(AP WorldStream via COMTEX)

The leader of Greece's powerful Orthodox Church, Archbishop Christodoulos, described Turks as "barbarians" on Thursday and said the predominantly Muslim country should not join the European Union because "we cannot live together."

Christodoulos has in the past opposed Turkey's bid to join the EU and equated Greek government support for its membership to a second Ottoman invasion of Europe.

He made the comments during a church service celebrating the life of Bishop Seraphim, considered by the Greek Orthodox Church to have been martyred for his faith when he was killed in 1601 by the Ottomans.

"That is why they skewered him," Christodoulos said of Seraphim. "And now these are the ones wanting to join Europe. The barbarians cannot come into the family of Christians. We cannot live together."

The Socialist government, which has staunchly supported Turkey's EU candidacy, immediately sought to distance itself from Christodoulos' comments.

"Everyone is entitled to his own views," government spokesman Christos Protopapas said. "The European course of Turkey serves our national interests, security in the area and economic development."

EU leaders are to decide in December 2004 on whether to open entry negotiations with Turkey.

Athens has backed Turkey's EU aspirations, hoping it will help ease tensions between the two neighbors over boundary disputes in the Aegean Sea and the divided island of Cyprus. Turkey and Greece have come close to war three times in the past 28 years.

But Christodoulos dismissed such views as "lacking historical knowledge" and warned that "we should not lose everything in the name of diplomacy."

"We should not lose everything in the name of diplomacy. Diplomacy is good, but we should not forget our history," he said.

Foreign Minister George Papandreou, who has led efforts to improve relations with Turkey, said that unlike Christodoulos, Greek history had taught him a different lesson.

Papandreou, attending a NATO meeting in Brussels, said in an announcement that he found inspiration in Rigas Ferraios, a 19th century hero of the Greek war of independence against Ottoman rule.

"He had a vision of a Balkan peninsula at peace, free and democratic where all ethnicities and all religions - Orthodox, Catholic, Muslim and Jew - will have a place. This vision is today becoming a reality with the completion of the European Union and inclusion of the Balkans," Papandreou said.

"This," he added, "is the vision supported by the vast majority of the Greek people."

Christodoulos in the past has also spoken out against European unification and globalization. He recently campaigned for inclusion of a reference to Christianity as Europe's predominant religion in the EU's constitution.

The Ottoman Empire, which stretched from the Balkans to the Middle East at its height in the 16th century, gradually shrank until its final demise after World War I. Turkey became a republic in 1923.

OrthodoxyOrDeath

Post by OrthodoxyOrDeath »

http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/pashas.htm

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/973115/posts


For anyone interested, this is a really fascinating book. It is the first hand account of what the American attache to Turkey witnessed first hand.

http://www.hri.org/docs/Horton/

Even today don't think much has changed with these people. They still lob grenades over the wall at the Phanar periodically and there are only about 3000 Greeks left in Constantinople.

User avatar
TomS
Protoposter
Posts: 1010
Joined: Wed 4 June 2003 8:26 pm
Location: Maryland

Book recommendation

Post by TomS »

A very good book to read concerning the history of these things is "Smyrna 1922, The Destruction of a City" by Marjorie Dobkin

Basically the Greeks were hung out to dry by the "allies" after WWI.

"In September, 1922, Mustapha Kemal {Ataturk}, the victorious revolutionary ruler of Turkey, led his troops into Smyrna (now Izmir) a predominantly Christian city, as a flotilla of 27 Allied warships-- including three American destroyers-- looked on. The Turks soon proceeded to indulge in an orgy of pillage, rape and slaughter that the Western powers anxious to protect their oil and trade interests in Turkey, condoned by their silence and refusal to intervene. Turkish forces then set fire to the legendary city and totally destroyed it. There followed a massive cover-up by tacit agreement of the Western Allies who had defeated Turkey and Germany during World War I. By 1923 Smyrna's demise was all but expunged from historical memory. "

----------------------------------------------------
They say that I am bad news. They say "Stay Away."

OrthodoxyOrDeath

Post by OrthodoxyOrDeath »

TomS,

Thank you for the suggestion. I wish I had more time.

I forgot to mention that the last book I linked above in online and describes in large text the destruction of Smyrna.

Post Reply