Nevski,
"rhetoric"? You asked for evidence on how the OCA is in communion with Monophysites and I gave it. If you wish to dismiss Orthodox teaching as "rhetoric" then the burden falls on you to explain yourself. I pray you will.
The OCA
OrthodoxyOrDeath wrote:Nevski,
"rhetoric"? You asked for evidence on how the OCA is in communion with Monophysites and I gave it. If you wish to dismiss Orthodox teaching as "rhetoric" then the burden falls on you to explain yourself. I pray you will.
You gave nothing of the sort. Rather, you provided evidence of how Antioch is in communion (actually, more of a quasi-communion) with the Non-Chalcedonian Church of Syria.
If the OCA communed the Orientals, then the Amenian lady and the Jacobites who attend our OCA parish on a regular basis could receive communion there. They cannot, because the OCA does not commune the non-Chalcedonians, nor does it permit its members to commune in their churches.
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OOD,
The OCA is not in communion with any Oriental Orthodox Church that
I know of. As a matter of fact, their is one specific Coptic Orthodox Family that has visited the ROCOR Monastery Church that I attended as well as our Church, but they know and we know that they are unable to partake of communion. This family attends a Coptic Orthodox Church in our town. I consider them friends and would open my doors to them anytime. My infrequent association with them, does not lead me to fear for myself nor my family. Once again, when we talk, it isn't about issues that seem to plague some individuals on this board. We accept that their is no possibility of communing via the cup, and leave it at that. We still acknowledge that each is made in the image of God and we are to love each other as we love ourselves. They are - our neighbors.
One thing I really would like you to explain to me OOD, and I am being serious about this. I believe that you will answer honestly the questions I am about to ask.
Why is it, that those with whom you have a different opinion with, such as myself, about the OCA, will label individuals like us as "those with a sandbox mentality". What justification, do you put forth to warrant demeaning others with such terminology. Do you feel a compelling need to put yourself above all others here on the board? Whatever happened to humility, being humble. Frankly I would think that you and others on this board, who, let's say for simplicity sake, are correct in every issue, and we (of sandbox mentality) are wrong on every issue, would be able to relay info to us, but not in a demeaning, belittling way. I would believe that it is best to lead by example. That is what I am attempting to do, is be a "Living Icon" of Christ, but of course we are asking ourselves to be honest, and honestly I am a sinful failure in this regards.
Is the OCA "graceless"? Are those in the OCA, myself, my family,
going to hell, because we partake communion in an OCA Church, and are attending a New Calendar Church. I ask you to not mince words, be forthright in your response. As I have mentioned in previous messages, I am theologically "Traditional". I just happen to be trying to take the advise of St. Seraphim of Sarov....may God help me to do as St. Seraphim instructs. Once again, do not mince words, come forth and say plainly if we are doomed for hell if we remain in the OCA.I ask you to answer the question that I posed Bogatyr about the Old Believers and Patriarch Nikon. You are very knowledgeable, there is no doubt in this, please respond. I would really like to hear your input on that question.
Lastly, I extend the kiss of peace to you, as a brother in Christ. I consider you just as much Orthodox as I. You may not of me, and if this be the case, may God grant me the humility to accept that with all grace and peace.
With humble bow,
Reader Chrysostomos
"If the OCA communed the Orientals, then the Amenian lady and the Jacobites who attend our OCA parish on a regular basis could receive communion there. They cannot, because the OCA does not commune the non-Chalcedonians, nor does it permit its members to commune in their churches."
I have seen OCA & GOA parishes commune Orientals and Armenians, but I don't have any "evidence" to prove this to anyone...but I am sure that I cannot be the only person to see such things. I am embarassed to say that I saw this so often that for a time I did not think there was a problem with this practice and that it was completely normal :ohvey: .
Natasha wrote:"If the OCA communed the Orientals, then the Amenian lady and the Jacobites who attend our OCA parish on a regular basis could receive communion there. They cannot, because the OCA does not commune the non-Chalcedonians, nor does it permit its members to commune in their churches."
I have seen OCA & GOA parishes commune Orientals and Armenians, but I don't have any "evidence" to prove this to anyone...but I am sure that I cannot be the only person to see such things. I am embarassed to say that I saw this so often that for a time I did not think there was a problem with this practice and that it was completely normal :ohvey: .
In other words, all you're giving us is hearsay. Could you provide the names and dioceses of those parishes, the approximate dates of the events, and the names of the priests who communed them? Similar allegations were made by people on the Indiana List some time ago, but when pressed for this information, they suddenly got short on specifics.
I have attended both GOA and OCA parishes in my 11-year life as an Orthodox Christian. In both parishes, only Chalcedonian Orthodox were allowed to commune. So, one might argue, if it is true what you say, that my anecdote counters yours, indicating that there is no "policy" as such of communing the Oriental Orthodox. Would you agree? OOD, would you?
Sigh..sounds to me like you have a serious axe to grind. Sorry to tell you that some churches are not perfect, that is just life. No, I will not provide you names and dates. It is not my place to do such things. Instead of trying to open up an investigation, I just stopped going to those churches. Not only is it not my place to name names, but my family has serious ties to the church and I don't want to welcome scandal into everyones lives. Why is it so hard for you to accept that some parishes do not adhere to the "rules and regulations"?