Suzdal Diocese Gazette Excommunication Official Announcement

[OrthodoxyOrDeath]

I'm not sure how, but I was under the impression the ROAC had around 400 churches and monasteries in Russia.

Not that I think it would have any bearing on the truth whether it be true or not.

[mwoerl]

well, i guess i better explain why this stirkes me as so bizarre. if anybody can follow this, your probably a better man than i!

ok, so we have ROAC, proclaiming themselves to be the True Russian Orthodox Church; the other perhaps 60 million Orthodox in Russia and around the world who claim allegiance to the "other" Russian Orthodox Churches, groups, "parasynagogues" (wow, what a word! is that -um- like two synagogues right next to each other? would four be a "quadrasynagogue"? would six be a -oops-cant say that on here, huh?oh, well . . . )-what have you-are merely performing empty rituals that will not do them one it of good, they are all doomed to hades (isnt that the correct term? i mean, cant say the "other" "h-word" either, huh?).

so, even if ROAC does have 400 churches and monasteries-even if that meant 400 churches and 400 monasteries with adherents of 1,000 each, the number of those adhering to ROAC is basically an infinitesimal percentage of all those claiming to be adherents of "Russian Orthodoxy" in the world.

and, we find, among this infinitesimal percentage of those who claim to be the True and Only Russian Orthodox Church, that there have been excommunications recently-apparently the "principal" or "chief" heretics being those who were excommunicated. the "open letters" (2 & 3) of vladimir moss sort of let us in on the fact that these "principal" or "chief" heretics seemingly have more than one or two supporters amongst them.

and now we get to the good part. it seems this True and Only Russian Orthodox Church in the world has attracted to itself a nestorian, a name worshipper, and a qabbalist! i sincerely doubt that anyone has been excommunicated for "nestorianism" from any Orthodox Church for centuries; "name worshipping" was a rather obscure heresy in its time, limited, i believe, to russians on mt athos, and those who were kicked off of mt athos and returned to russia. all around the first world war era, i think, give or take a few years or decades. and, it was not what one would really describe as a "mass movement." i also sincerely doubt that the greater percentage of orthodox could explain nestorianism, much less name worshipping; most have probably never even heard of name worshipping.

then we go on to the best of the good part. a qabbalist. say what? vladimir moss, who, although i do not always find myelf in agreement with him, has probably labored for the traditionalist/old calendar cause more than any other layman of these current times. but, little did we know! ha! he was a qabbalist all along! shades of zohar! for all those who dont know, which is probably, again, the majority, qabbalism is a jewish-mystical-occult system based on the qabbala, the so-called "tree of life." it has been rather eagerly adopted by many western occult groups as part of their pick up a little here, pick up a little there mishmashes of various occult theories.

although, of course, not being an expert on excommunications-how many, what for-i would venture to say that vladimir moss has earned the
distinction of being the first person in the entire history of the orthodox church to be excommunicated for being a qabbalist! you see, qabbalism and orthodoxy are sort of like oil and water-they dont mix too well.

unless, of course, and i hope not-"qabbalism" may be another of the code words of russian anti-semites. i would be think it rather unfortunate that this kind of thing, although undoubtedly still going on in russia, would be found in the True and Only Orthodox Church of Russia.

and it gets even better when we see that the nestorian and the qabbalist have teamed up on the name worshipper. of course, nestorians and qabbalists would not have much in common; only in ROAC have i heard of the teaming of those two varieties. and, someone wondered on here why vladimir moss is not currently "attached to any episcopate," awaiting the appearance of an "acceptable" one? gee, i wonder . . . i guess he is waiting for a bishop who has a copy of the qabbalah bound in a cover that says "evangelie" on it, you think?

and why, i wonder, would these three extremely rare varieties of heretics (oh, yes, there are still a few nestorians around-they usually dont join orthodox churches, though. there are qabalists, too, i dont think they number quite in the millions, and i would imagine qabbalists NEVER join orthodox churches, and name worshippers-well, these are very rare birds these days . . . ) somehow all find themselves in the midst of ROAC? fate? destiny? so ROAC can have the opportunity to teach the dangers of nestorianism, qabbalism, and name worshipping? pretty topical stuff, i would think! was it written in the stars? was it predestination? i guess i just gotta go back and see if edgar cayce predicted all this . . .

anyway-i guess you get the drift. to me, this is so bizarre as to be absolutely hilarious. if you even for one minute ponder on the implications of this-i mean-this is funny stuff. after you get past the initial "whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?," it has to be one of the funniest things i have ever heard in my life.

but, i guess that's just me . . .

but, i DO have to ask one question! if anyone takes these excommunications seriously-do you REALLY believe vladimir moss is a "qabalist"? i just gotta know!

mwoerl

[OrthodoxyOrDeath]

Michael,

I wish I could share in your laughter but I just don’t find this a bit funny.

The vast majority of people calling themselves Orthodox (ie. the Ecumenist Church) are not at all lacking their own heretics and schismatics as you suggest. There are branch theorists, quasi-Muslims for Patriarchs, Monophysites, Monothelites, papists, pseudo-Jews, ecumenists, new-calendarists, those accepting the “mysteries” of heretics, and even a few heresies which don’t even yet have a name yet.

They are in fact a communion of heretics and schismatics. Its just that these things do not move them or bother them because the faith is not important except in-so-far as it serves them. But take away your summer Greek fest or make a power grab for a new territory and you will have a schism soon enough.

And no, I do not believe Vladimir Moss is a heretic.

[Nevski]

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[Nevski]

. . .pseudo-Jews,. . . .

What is a "pseudo-Jew," and who in our Ecumenist Church would you point to as an example of one?

[Seraphim Reeves]

Nevski,

What is a "pseudo-Jew," and who in our Ecumenist Church would you point to as an example of one?

"Parasynagogue" refers to heretical/schismatic bodies which have defected from the Church of Christ - similar to how the original Synagogue, once clothed in Godliness, now finds itself in darkness and shame, for having betrayed it's God and replaced Him with an abstraction of their own creation. Heterodox bodies are similar to the Synagogue in this way (hence parasynagogue).

It's not a "nice term", but it is true. Of course, how blunt things are phrased, often has much to do with one's audience.

Seraphim

[OrthodoxyOrDeath]

"Psuedo-Jew" would be a quick way to describe someone who believes the Jews worship the same God as Orthodox Christians. At quick glance, this would describe at least the last three people claiming to be the patriarchs of Constantinople.

I'm sure it describes many more.

This also describes the false bishops and priests as Seraphim points out.